Re: a description of you + a description of billiard ball can bruise you?

From: Bruno Marchal <>
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:00:23 +0200

Le 19-mai-05, à 21:51, Quentin Anciaux a écrit :

> Hi,
> Le Jeudi 19 Mai 2005 21:18, John M a écrit :
>> Without trying to defend Robert Rosen, his (unlimited) natural systems
>> (maximum models = the THING itself, not a model) are (in his words)
>> "not
>> Turing -computable", I think that is different from Bruno's unlimited
>> 'comp'.
> I think that is what Bruno explains (rather my understanding of it),
> that
> "consciousness" (a thing ?) is emergent on all computations passing
> through
> th(is/ese) state(s). If I understand, there is not one computation that
> simulate a thing but a set of computation having this state.


> But it seems to
> me that an infinity of computation passing through a particular state
> exists,


> so I do not very well understand how a measure can be associated to it.

Measure theory has been developed for taking into account infinite sets
on which the measure bears on.

>> Excuse me for falling through a trap-door into a reply about things I
>> am no
>> expert in. I may have the wrong bootstraps.
> I'm not an expert too ;)

Beware the experts. today, in the interdisciplinary fields, they are
in average worst than honest inquiring lay(wo)men.

Received on Fri May 20 2005 - 06:10:28 PDT

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