Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

From: John M <>
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:56:24 -0400

before the time when we met on another list I tackled 'similar'
concerns. Very briefly:
I picked "nothingness" rather than "nothing". The first reaction was: If I
consider "nothingness" at all, it already became "somethingness". This was
how I started to build up the world
at that time (~1990).
Later I learned about the (alleged) energy content of vacuum,
(calculkated some ^120 of the material content of our universe...) which has
fit perfectly in my own nonsense-speculation.
Just a reminiscense
John Mikes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hal Ruhl" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

> The following is a combination of several of my previous ideas which
> me to raise a question re "measure" in this thread.
> 1) The first step is to examine the act of definition. In this case the
> definition of a "Nothing". Any definition process simultaneously defines
> two entities. The definition is a boundary between an entity of interest
> and the leftover building blocks. In the special case of a "Nothing" the
> left over is an "Everything". Thus the two are dependent partners. Since
> the "Everything" contains all information the definition pair must itself
> specify all information and can be represented by a normal real.
> 2) A "Nothing" has an interesting logical problem: It can not answer any
> meaningful question about itself. Assuming there is a relevant meaningful
> question a "Nothing" would be incomplete. An inescapable meaningful
> question is its own stability. This is not only meaningful it is
> impossible to avoid answering.
> 3) To attempt to answer this question a "Nothing" randomly and
> spontaneously "decays" towards an "Everything" to resolve its
> incompleteness. But this is not sustainable since an "Everything" is not
> independent of a "Nothing". Therefore a "Nothing" rebounds from the
> 4) Thus the definition pair or boundary between the "Nothing" and
> "Everything" partners is randomly dynamic - equivalent to a random
> of normal reals.
> 5) A universal dovetailer computer [the computer plus its collective
> dynamic input and output] is a good way to model a selector of a random
> sequence of normal reals.
> 6) Notice that the "Everything" also has a logical problem. Looking at
> same meaningful question of its own stability it contains all possible
> answers. Just one would constitute a selection i.e. net internal
> information which is not an aspect of the "Everything". Thus the
> "Everything" is inconsistent.
> 7) Thus the entire system while being - apparently - the only game in town
> is also both incomplete and inconsistent.
> 8) Universes are interpretations of sections of the normal real string.
> 9) Now a question is how many of these interpretations have internal rules
> that allow input from an external random oracle? If we are to maintain a
> zero information system then the answer must be a randomly changing
> percentage. So all interpretations must be able change character i.e. be
> subject to an external random oracle the internal rules of the particular
> interpretation notwithstanding.
> 10) What this means is that there remains some information in the system -
> the computer itself is incorrectly defined - to get rid of this problem
> computer has to function like any computer I ever used - it must make
> random errors.
> I do not see how one can extract from this any "measure" re anything which
> to me seems reasonable since there should be no information in there
> Hal
> Hal
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