Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

From: Brent Meeker <>
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:22:53 -0800

Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> 2009/1/8 Brent Meeker <>:
>> Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>>> 2009/1/7 Abram Demski <> wrote:
>>>> I would not deny causality in such a universe so long as the logical
>>>> structure enforces the Life rules (meaning, the next level in the
>>>> stack is *always* the next life-tick, it couldn't be something else...
>>>> which is true by supposition in the block world).
>>>> Perhaps that still counts as a magical requirement for you, though.
>>> So if the boards were shuffled, or separated by arbitrary distances,
>>> the causality would go and the computation (perhaps a conscious
>>> computation) would no longer be implemented? What justification is
>>> there for adding this requirement?
>> 2 + 2 = 4 is true
>> 4 + 2 = 2 is false
>> Order counts.
> But in a block universe, where each frame contains all of the
> information for a particular time, the order is implicit.

What makes it implicit?... increasing entropy? ...conformance to dynamical laws?
   These are things outside the frames. If you assume there is enough inside
the frames to order them (as a continuum model does by implicit overlap) then
that is a time order and it's meaningless to talk about shuffling or separating
them (in what spacetime could such operations be carried out?).


> the frames a particular way is only important for an observer outside
> of the ensemble, like someone watching a film. Some argue that such a
> block universe would lack the special quality that gives rise to
> computation, consciousness and all other good things.

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