Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

From: Stathis Papaioannou <>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:07:11 +1100

2009/1/8 Brent Meeker <>:
> Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>> 2009/1/7 Abram Demski <> wrote:
>>> I would not deny causality in such a universe so long as the logical
>>> structure enforces the Life rules (meaning, the next level in the
>>> stack is *always* the next life-tick, it couldn't be something else...
>>> which is true by supposition in the block world).
>>> Perhaps that still counts as a magical requirement for you, though.
>> So if the boards were shuffled, or separated by arbitrary distances,
>> the causality would go and the computation (perhaps a conscious
>> computation) would no longer be implemented? What justification is
>> there for adding this requirement?
> 2 + 2 = 4 is true
> 4 + 2 = 2 is false
> Order counts.

But in a block universe, where each frame contains all of the
information for a particular time, the order is implicit. Arranging
the frames a particular way is only important for an observer outside
of the ensemble, like someone watching a film. Some argue that such a
block universe would lack the special quality that gives rise to
computation, consciousness and all other good things.

Stathis Papaioannou
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