I admit that consciousness is a bit special but what about time as
(nothing but) a space dimension? Do you agree on this? (put aside
whether time/space is only in the mind, as you think, or really exist)
On Jan 3, 10:39 am, Bruno Marchal <marc....domain.name.hidden> wrote:
> I disagree, and your remark singles out the problem with the bird's
> eye/frog view of Tegmark. Those two views remains "third person point
> of views". Consciousness is intrinsically a first person view. You
> cannot describe it in any third person point of view. This explains
> why the Aristotelians want so much eliminate consciousness.
> But you are right for memories and the the possible discourse *about*
> consciousness, this can be compared to marks on some block-structure.
> Consciousness itself will be more a "distributed" logical feature in
> the whole of the block reality. Consciousness, even consciousness of
> time and space, is not something you can effectively relate to time
> and space. Assuming comp you can relate it to fixed point of self-
> observation and other "logical" (but non geometrical) things. Then
> discourses made by conscious entities have themselves invariant
> pattern, like "we cannot define it", "we cannot explain it " that you
> can (with luck) recognize in the (more geometrical) marks.
>
> Bruno Marchal
>
> On 03 Jan 2009, at 06:46, Thomas Laursen wrote:
>
>
>
> > If I understand the "standard" MWI right (with my layman brain) Abram
> > Demski's view of time is very much in accordance with it, except that
> > time should be looked at simply as a fourth space dimension. A bird's
> > eye view on the whole universe (= all it's "actualized" worlds) would
> > be like a static picture where, lets say, the beginning (big bang) is
> > at the left side (or right if you're Chinese), the present in the
> > middle, and the future at the right. Of course this (2-dimensional)
> > picture is extremely simplified but the idea behind is true (if I
> > understand Everett and others, mainly Deutsch and Tegmark in their
> > popular papers, right). Memory is then nothing but "marks" in the
> > brain, and consciousness just like other moving things in nature with
> > a (relatively) stable structure (a body, river, plant, etc), only more
> > complex.
>
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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