Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

From: Bruno Marchal <marchal.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:39:30 +0100

I disagree, and your remark singles out the problem with the bird's
eye/frog view of Tegmark. Those two views remains "third person point
of views". Consciousness is intrinsically a first person view. You
cannot describe it in any third person point of view. This explains
why the Aristotelians want so much eliminate consciousness.
But you are right for memories and the the possible discourse *about*
consciousness, this can be compared to marks on some block-structure.
Consciousness itself will be more a "distributed" logical feature in
the whole of the block reality. Consciousness, even consciousness of
time and space, is not something you can effectively relate to time
and space. Assuming comp you can relate it to fixed point of self-
observation and other "logical" (but non geometrical) things. Then
discourses made by conscious entities have themselves invariant
pattern, like "we cannot define it", "we cannot explain it " that you
can (with luck) recognize in the (more geometrical) marks.

Bruno Marchal


On 03 Jan 2009, at 06:46, Thomas Laursen wrote:

>
> If I understand the "standard" MWI right (with my layman brain) Abram
> Demski's view of time is very much in accordance with it, except that
> time should be looked at simply as a fourth space dimension. A bird's
> eye view on the whole universe (= all it's "actualized" worlds) would
> be like a static picture where, lets say, the beginning (big bang) is
> at the left side (or right if you're Chinese), the present in the
> middle, and the future at the right. Of course this (2-dimensional)
> picture is extremely simplified but the idea behind is true (if I
> understand Everett and others, mainly Deutsch and Tegmark in their
> popular papers, right). Memory is then nothing but "marks" in the
> brain, and consciousness just like other moving things in nature with
> a (relatively) stable structure (a body, river, plant, etc), only more
> complex.
> >

http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/




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