Thomas,
If time is merely an additional space dimension, why do we experience
"moving" in it always and only in one direction? Why do we remember
the past and not the future? Could a being move in some spatial
dimension in the same way we move through time, and in doing so treat
time more like we treat space? Et cetera.
To my knowledge, modern physics treats many things as "dimensions":
not just time and space, but also forces such as electromagnetism.
This does not imply that such things are spatial in nature. A
dimension is just a variable. Unless you think there is something
particularly spatial about time?
--Abram
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Thomas Laursen <krimmanti.domain.name.hidden> wrote:
>
> I admit that consciousness is a bit special but what about time as
> (nothing but) a space dimension? Do you agree on this? (put aside
> whether time/space is only in the mind, as you think, or really exist)
>
>
> On Jan 3, 10:39 am, Bruno Marchal <marc....domain.name.hidden> wrote:
>> I disagree, and your remark singles out the problem with the bird's
>> eye/frog view of Tegmark. Those two views remains "third person point
>> of views". Consciousness is intrinsically a first person view. You
>> cannot describe it in any third person point of view. This explains
>> why the Aristotelians want so much eliminate consciousness.
>> But you are right for memories and the the possible discourse *about*
>> consciousness, this can be compared to marks on some block-structure.
>> Consciousness itself will be more a "distributed" logical feature in
>> the whole of the block reality. Consciousness, even consciousness of
>> time and space, is not something you can effectively relate to time
>> and space. Assuming comp you can relate it to fixed point of self-
>> observation and other "logical" (but non geometrical) things. Then
>> discourses made by conscious entities have themselves invariant
>> pattern, like "we cannot define it", "we cannot explain it " that you
>> can (with luck) recognize in the (more geometrical) marks.
>>
>> Bruno Marchal
>>
>> On 03 Jan 2009, at 06:46, Thomas Laursen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > If I understand the "standard" MWI right (with my layman brain) Abram
>> > Demski's view of time is very much in accordance with it, except that
>> > time should be looked at simply as a fourth space dimension. A bird's
>> > eye view on the whole universe (= all it's "actualized" worlds) would
>> > be like a static picture where, lets say, the beginning (big bang) is
>> > at the left side (or right if you're Chinese), the present in the
>> > middle, and the future at the right. Of course this (2-dimensional)
>> > picture is extremely simplified but the idea behind is true (if I
>> > understand Everett and others, mainly Deutsch and Tegmark in their
>> > popular papers, right). Memory is then nothing but "marks" in the
>> > brain, and consciousness just like other moving things in nature with
>> > a (relatively) stable structure (a body, river, plant, etc), only more
>> > complex.
>>
>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
> >
>
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