On 7/9/07, Jason <jasonresch.domain.name.hidden> wrote:
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> On Jul 9, 1:39 am, "Mohsen Ravanbakhsh" <ravanbak....domain.name.hidden> wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
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> > While I was reading the previous discussion; "justifying theory of
> > everything" , I thought of my recent problem with still imperfection of
> our
> > TOE. The problem is:
> > Multiverse by itself is a choice, and every choice by it's nature has
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> > bias and information.
> > I could just consider two mathematical universes without any bias; the
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> > is nothing or mathematical point. The second one is a whole, I mean a
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> > space in infinite dimensions(just extending the perfect circle of Plato
> to
> > remove it's bias in radius and dimension)
> > Any other universe should contain a choice, including the collection of
> all
> > possible universes! Why?
> > Consider ME! Why 'I' am in this special world and not the other one? You
> > might claim that I'm in the other ones as well. But I would still
> insist;
> > 'Why 'I' am in this special universe and not the other?'. I hope you get
> my
> > point.
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> Would you know the difference if you were in all other universes at
> once? What about existing in every point of time that spans your
> life, would you not still have the illusion of only existing in the
> present?
No, I wouldn't but that doesn't solve this problem! You may say, OK you are
existing in all other universes, and I still would answer the same way: as
far as 'I' am here, there has been a bias; I mean why 'I' am not the other
one in the other universe. You see my point?
> I wanted to conclude from this, even if there is a multiverse there's an
> > information content for whole universe, and that might need another
> cause.
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> >From my understanding of Theory of Nothing, the set of all
> descriptions for every possible universe requires zero bits of
> information to describe when taken as a whole. However with observers
> there is discrimination within this set of descriptions, observers
> determine which are perceived as real and due to this discrimination
> individual universes requiring massive amounts of information to
> describe emerge from a set that takes nothing to describe. The large
> amount of information required to describe what we observe is due to
> fact that what is observed in any particular observer moment is
> finite, therefore requiring some information to define its bounds.
I believe this trick wont work neither. Because here I, as Tegmark puts it,
can have the same argument from the BIRD(3rd person) view. I as the BIRD
know that every observer has a distinct self, because he/she can ask why
he/she is some where and not some other where, while some other copies of
him/her really are in those other wheres!
So still there's a discrimination.
I hope I have understood that part correctly; if not Russell can
> correct me.
I guess my argument shows as far as there's consciousness zero information
for the whole universe is impossible.
Some one HELP!
Jason
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Mohsen Ravanbakhsh
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