# Re: Are First Person prime?

From: Bruno Marchal <marchal.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:45:12 +0200

Le 09-août-06, à 01:49, Colin Hales a écrit :

>
> Why is everyone talking about abstract computation? Of _course_ 1st
> person
> is prime = Has primacy in description of the universe. Being a portion
> of
> any structure (ME) trying to model the structure (the UNIVERSE) from
> within
> it (ME as scientist inside/part of the universe) is intrinsically and
> innately presented with that which is _not_ the structure of ME (NOT
> ME).
> This applies at all scales (eg ME = an atom, ME = a galaxy).
>
> An _abstract_ computation/model X implemented symbolically on a of a
> portion
> of the structure (a COMPUTER) inside the structure (the UNIVERSE) will
> see
> the universe as "NOT COMPUTER", not some function of the machinations
> of X,
> the model. Eg The first person perspective of a register in a computer
> holding a quantity N must be that of being a register in a computer,
> not
> that of 'being' a quantity N.
>
> The only computation going on around us is literally the universe. WE
> are
> computations within it. We can only ever acquire data about it from the
> perspective of being in it.
>
> Maybe you're not talking about the same universe as me. We're trying
> to get
> to grips with our universe, yes? I don't get it. Then again I seem not
> to
> get a lot. :-)
>
> Colin hales

Of course I have a problem with the word "universe" and especially with
the expression "being inside a universe". The reason is that I think
comp forces us to accept we are supported by an infinity of
computations and that the 1-(plural and singular) appearance of the
universe emerges from that. cf UDA.

Bruno

http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/

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