The quantum theory could be an approximation of a smooth universe, or of a
discrete universe with an infinity of quantum levels. We could imagine for
example that at the level of Planck length, time-space is a discrete network
and that there could be an approximative theory which describes it at this
level (like a cellular automata), but that there is a more precize theory
which consider each node of this network as a complex structure (perhaps
discrete or perhaps smooth). Infinity of levels does not necessarily means
nested physical objects which get smaller and smaller, but rather theories
which get more and more precize.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Higgo James [SMTP:james.higgo.domain.name.hidden]
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 4:35 PM
> To: Jacques Bailhache
> Subject: RE: Spirit, consciousness, free will and infinite nesting
>
> Either the universe is smooth or it is quantized.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jacques Bailhache [SMTP:Jacques.Bailhache.domain.name.hidden]
> > Sent: 25 January 1999 15:27
> > To: 'Higgo James'
> > Cc: 'everything-list.domain.name.hidden'
> > Subject: RE: Spirit, consciousness, free will and infinite nesting
> >
> >
> > I propose that quantum theory is only an approximation of the real
> world,
> > like any theory.
> >
> > ==========================
> > Jacques Bailhache
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> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Higgo James [SMTP:james.higgo.domain.name.hidden]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 3:56 PM
> > > To: Jacques Bailhache
> > > Cc: 'everything-list.domain.name.hidden'
> > > Subject: RE: Spirit, consciousness, free will and infinite nesting
> > >
> > > Wow. You're proposeing that quantum theory may be wrong. But if you're
> > > proposing using an infinity of universes instead of a smooth single
> one
> > -
> > > a
> > > consquence of quantum theory! - then that bypasses the issue. But why
> > > don't
> > > we go to the experts on consciousness, e.g. Dennett, rather than try
> to
> > > reinvent the wheel here?
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jacques Bailhache [SMTP:Jacques.Bailhache.domain.name.hidden]
> > > > Sent: 25 January 1999 14:14
> > > > To: 'Higgo James'
> > > > Cc: 'everything-list.domain.name.hidden'; 'Marchal'
> > > > Subject: RE: Spirit, consciousness, free will and infinite
> nesting
> > > >
> > > > Hi James,
> > > >
> > > > >Hold on , Jacques. The universe it quantized - there is nothing
> > > smaller
> > > > >than a Planck unit. How can you have infinite nesting in a single
> > > > universe?
> > > >
> > > > Before, the scientists said there was nothing smaller than an atom.
> > > > Who knows what tomorrow's science will discover ?
> > > > I don't see why this infinite nesting couldn't be possible in a
> single
> > > > universe.
> > > > However, I think there is probably an infinity of universes (see
> > > > http://www.website2u.com/log/text/reflmph/english/hmm.htm,
> > > > http://www.website2u.com/log/text/reflmph/english/hum.htm,
> > > > http://www.website2u.com/log/text/reflmph/english/rfu.htm,
> > > > http://www.website2u.com/log/text/reflmph/english/esprfu.htm)
> > > >
> > > > Jacques.
> > > > ==========================
> > > > Jacques Bailhache
> > > > Y2K Centre of Expertise (BRO)
> > > > DTN: 856 ext. 7662
> > > > Tel: +32-2 729.7662, Fax: +32-2 729.7985
> > > > Email: mailto:Jacques.Bailhache.domain.name.hidden
> > > > Visit my home page :
> > > > http://www.website2u.com/log/index.htm
> > > > http://www.byoc.com/homepage/134885/
> > > > http://www.chez.com/log/
> > > > http://members.rotfl.com/log/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Higgo James [SMTP:james.higgo.domain.name.hidden]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 1:07 PM
> > > > > To: 'Marchal'
> > > > > Cc: 'everything-list.domain.name.hidden'
> > > > > Subject: RE: Spirit, consciousness, free will and infinite
> > nesting
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes but Jacques is not referring to the infinity of universes
> which
> > is
> > > > why
> > > > > I
> > > > > specifically said 'in a single universe'. BTW have you read Vic
> > > > Stenger's
> > > > > atomic metaphysics which gives an alternative 'place' for the
> > > infinity,
> > > > in
> > > > > 'nowhen'.
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Marchal [SMTP:marchal.domain.name.hidden]
> > > > > > Sent: 25 January 1999 12:00
> > > > > > To: Higgo James; 'Jacques Bailhache'
> > > > > > Cc: 'everything-list.domain.name.hidden'
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Spirit, consciousness, free will and infinite
> > > nesting
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James :
> > > > > > >Hold on , Jacques. The universe it quantized - there is
> nothing
> > > > > smaller
> > > > > > >than a Planck unit. How can you have infinite nesting in a
> single
> > > > > > universe?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hold on, James. There is an infinity of "universes". With the
> DU,
> > > > there
> > > > > > is an infinity of infinity of "universes" with different quantum
> > > > > constant.
> > > > > > Why should Jacques' infinite nesting be impossible ?
> > > > > > ... unless you are able to derive planck constant from
> arithmetic.
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bruno
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Received on Mon Jan 25 1999 - 08:16:14 PST