George,
You got it very decently, thank you. One question:
what do you mean by a 'simulated character'?
Then again IMO no person can differentiate whether he
sees the 'reality' or has an illusion. (I mean: the
perception of reality, of course).
Illusion is usually a wake-phenomenon, dream: sleeping
although day-dream is neither a dream nor an illusion.
Do we want to go into this? (Psych of Everything<G>?)
John
--- George Levy <glevy.domain.name.hidden> wrote:
> Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>
> >Le Samedi 18 Mars 2006 01:58, peterdjones.domain.name.hidden
> a écrit :
> >
> >
> >>Ground them operationally, then. Real things have
> real properties and
> >>unreal
> >>things don't. Real properties can be observed
> empirically. Primeness
> >>then is not
> >>a real property.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I have to ask you one more time, but I'll reverse
> the question, what does it
> >means for an object not to be real (hence being
> abstract) ? it is not a joke,
> >I want to know.
> >
> I will insert my grain of salt in a very active
> thread....
>
> In my opinion, reality is relative, more precisely,
> the perception of
> reality depends on the level of implementation or
> the level of illusion.
>
> Here I use the term implementation to refer to third
> person perception
> and illusion to refer to first person perception.
>
> For example, a simulated character perceives
> simulated objects as real.
> He has the illusion that they are real.
>
> Similarly we perceive our world to be real. It kicks
> back. We have the
> illusion that our world is real. Is it? It all
> depends how you look at
> it. One could say that our consciousness is emergent
> by the
> bootstrapping of reflexive illusions: our world is
> an illusion that
> allows us to have the illusion that we exist.
>
> (I am not sure but it may be that my term
> "illusion" has the same
> meaning as the term "dream" that Bruno very often
> uses as in "we are
> dreaming machines." )
>
> Thus, in my opinion, there is no absolute reality.
> All we have is the
> implementation/illusion of reality at our level of
> implementation/illusion.
>
>
> George Levy
>
>
>
>
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