Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>Le Samedi 18 Mars 2006 01:58, peterdjones.domain.name.hidden a écrit :
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>>Ground them operationally, then. Real things have real properties and
>>unreal
>>things don't. Real properties can be observed empirically. Primeness
>>then is not
>>a real property.
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>I have to ask you one more time, but I'll reverse the question, what does it
>means for an object not to be real (hence being abstract) ? it is not a joke,
>I want to know.
>
I will insert my grain of salt in a very active thread....
In my opinion, reality is relative, more precisely, the perception of
reality depends on the level of implementation or the level of illusion.
Here I use the term implementation to refer to third person perception
and illusion to refer to first person perception.
For example, a simulated character perceives simulated objects as real.
He has the illusion that they are real.
Similarly we perceive our world to be real. It kicks back. We have the
illusion that our world is real. Is it? It all depends how you look at
it. One could say that our consciousness is emergent by the
bootstrapping of reflexive illusions: our world is an illusion that
allows us to have the illusion that we exist.
(I am not sure but it may be that my term "illusion" has the same
meaning as the term "dream" that Bruno very often uses as in "we are
dreaming machines." )
Thus, in my opinion, there is no absolute reality. All we have is the
implementation/illusion of reality at our level of implementation/illusion.
George Levy
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Received on Sat Mar 18 2006 - 14:23:54 PST