Re: subjective reality

From: <kurtleegod.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:10:50 -0400

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Hal Ruhl <HalRuhl.domain.name.hidden>
 To: everything-list.domain.name.hidden
 Sent: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:15:43 -0400
 Subject: Re: subjective reality

 Hi Godfrey:

 At 12:03 PM 8/24/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Hal,
>
>Just a minimal comment to what you state below.
>I erase a bit of the previous exchange.
>
>Godfrey Kurtz
>(New Brunswick, NJ)

 snip

>[GK]
> If I understand you correctly your List-of-Everything is pretty much
> like our own everything-list (;-)! So it contains YD, CT and AR and
also > their negations which makes it self-contradictory a priori and
thus > imprevious to any charges of contradiction and in
> all likelyhood beyond any argument that anyone may devise (since it
> obviously contains it too).



 My first assumption says:

  "There exists a list of all possible properties of objects that can
have reality."

  Are you saying that this list taken as a whole is necessarily self
contradictory and therefore you can not show it does not exist due to
this internal self contradiction and this is your proof that it does
not exist?

  Let me first point out that the list is just a list - not a system of
logic. I give it only one property by assumption - existence.

 Hal Ruhl


 [GK]

 Hi Hal,
  My first comment was directed at your previous sentence which read
something like: "The list of course would have properties that seem
incompatible as simultaneous properties of a single object, but
nevertheless definitions create such objects as the "is not" member of
the definitional pair. So the All is - in total - self incompatible,
but so what? " I thought, from it, that you meant to say that your
Everything list contains contradictory attributions like "X is a car"
and "X is not a car" for the same X. I obviously
 misunderstood you.

  About your first assumption, as you restate above, I would venture to
say that QM suggests that the existence of such list is very unlikely
if by 'reality" one understands "physical reality" as defined by EPR,
that is, as composed by distinct elements
  bearing properties that are independent of the means of observation
used to assign them to such objects. This is the gist
  of Einstein's famous question "Is the moon there when nobody looks?"
and all that folklore. Now if by "reality" you mean
  platonic reality, I think it is a good question whether such list may
exist or not. You will have to ask a mathematician...

 (I am assuming it is contains an countable infinity of entries, no?)

 Kindly,

 Godfrey

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