Le 06-juil.-05, à 07:16, Russell Standish a écrit :
> My reading of Bruno's work is that time
> is implicitly assumed as part of computationalism (I know Bruno
> sometimes does not quite agree, but there you have it).
Thinking again on why you keep saying this, I can imagine, giving the 
inexhaustible richness of the combination of addition and 
multiplication in Robinson or Peano Arithmetic(*), that a case can be 
made that I assume time. But that "time" is neither "physical time" nor 
"psychological time" which are derived from numbers' relations.
So I am "just" a physicalness-deniers, by which I mean no "physical 
things" are taken as primitive. Indeed I explain why comp makes the 
physicalness necessarily emerging from numbers' relations.
The same can be said with Stephen "dualism". If it is not a "dualism" 
of substance, then a case in favor of a dualism in comp can be made, 
and this despite the immaterialist background.
We must be aware of the false difficulties brought by the need of 
having to choose some "words", but then this is why we converse :)
Bruno
(*) Robinson Arithmetic (RA) is one the weakest theory of arithmetic. 
Nevertheless it can be shown already equivalent to a Universal Machine 
or Dovetailer.
Peano Arithmetic (PA) is RA + "induction axioms" is far stronger and is 
equivalent with what I called a lobian machine.
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Received on Sat Jul 09 2005 - 12:49:11 PDT