On Fri, May 20, 2005 at 05:39:42AM -0700, James N Rose wrote:
> >
> > Agreed that colour is not a characteristic of an object in itself. How
> > does this impact on the debate, however?
>
>
> Russell,
>
> Realize first that you just easily and aggreably opted to completely negate
> Platonic 'real v. ideal' as a flawed logic. Identification of 'essential
> qualia' is no longer an a priori valid 'given'. By next logical extension
> of this de-validation, which qualia - assigned to an entity by way of
> external evaluation of the entity - represent qualia which the entity
> functions on immediately and intimately because the entity internally
> has an information link to it?
>
> The school prank of putting a secretly taped sign on a friends back
> saying 'kick me' .. the conscious performance of the student -excludes-
> a qualia which the environmental world identifies -with- the
> student-with-sign.
>
> "A description of a system, and a system in and of itself, can never and
> will never map perfectly one to one and on to."
>
> QED
>
> Conclusions:
>
> 1. Initial condition alternatives result in alternate eventstream outcomes.
> 2. Alternate information sets preclude precision cloning,
> performances, decision gates.
> 3. Conscious is not perfectly transferrable.
>
> Jamie
Sorry, but you've completely lost me here. I'm still looking for
relevance... What does your first sentence mean, for example. What is
Platonic ideal vs real? Is it Plato's cave metaphor? In which case, I
don't remember Plato's cave being brought up in discussion on this
list. It doesn't seem terribly relevant to me, or even to notions of
arithmetic platonism for example.
Cheers
--
*PS: A number of people ask me about the attachment to my email, which
is of type "application/pgp-signature". Don't worry, it is not a
virus. It is an electronic signature, that may be used to verify this
email came from me if you have PGP or GPG installed. Otherwise, you
may safely ignore this attachment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 8308 3119 (mobile)
Mathematics 0425 253119 (")
UNSW SYDNEY 2052 R.Standish.domain.name.hidden
Australia http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks
International prefix +612, Interstate prefix 02
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Received on Sat May 21 2005 - 04:51:12 PDT