Re: An All/Nothing multiverse model

From: Jesse Mazer <>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:28:04 -0500

Hal Ruhl wrote:

>You wrote:
>>>>Well, what I get from your answer is that you're justifying the idea
>>>>that the All is inconsistent in terms of your own concept of "evolving
>>>>Somethings", not in terms of inconsistent axiomatic systems.
>Just the reverse. The evolving Somethings inevitably encompass the
>inconsistencies within the All [all those inconsistent systems [self or
>pairwise] each with their full spectrum of unselected "meaning". That is
>why the Somethings evolve randomly and inconsistently.

OK, since I don't really understand your system I should have said something
more general, like "you're justifying the idea that the All is inconsistent
in terms of your own theoretical framework, not in terms of inconsistent
axiomatic systems". So, again, you don't have any way of showing to a person
who doesn't share your theoretical framework in the first place that
"everything", i.e. the All, need be inconsistent.

>I do not believe in TOE's that start with the natural numbers - where did
>that info come from?

I don't consider that to be "information" because it seems logically
impossible that a statement such as "one plus one equals two" could be
false. You might as well ask, "where do the laws of logic come from"? Do you
consider the laws of logic to be "information"? If you don't think the laws
of logic can be taken for granted, you could just solve the information
problem by saying it is simultaneously true that there is "something rather
than nothing" and also "nothing rather than something", even though these
facts are contradictory.

If you grant that the "laws" of logic and mathematics contain no information
because there is no possible world in which they could be otherwise, then
you could always adopt a theory like Tegmark's which just says that the
"everything" consists of all possible mathematical structures, although you
might still have a problem with picking a measure on these structures if you
want a notion of probability (to solve things like the 'white rabbit
problem'), and if there is any element of choice in picking the measure that
would be form of arbitrariness or "information" (see my post at ).

Received on Sat Dec 11 2004 - 19:30:59 PST

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.0 : Fri Feb 16 2018 - 13:20:10 PST