Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

From: George Levy <>
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:42:53 -0700

Hi Bruno

Bruno Marchal wrote:

> when you say that the first person is all there is I am not sure it
> fits nicely with
> the methodology I am following. I am not sure I understand why you
> don't need the UD,
> given that the UD is just a nice third person description of the comp
> plenitude.
> [That such a thing could exist is a highly non trivial consequence of
> the closure of
> the set of programmable functions for the diagonalization: the
> existence of a universal
> machine. (The Post Turing discovery)]. Cf the diagonalization posts.

These are difficult issues... First it seems that the UD does not have
to be a basic assumption from which the plenitude can be derived. I
think you agree with that.

Another issue is that if we begin with the basic assumption of first
person perspective (from which the third person can be derived when
first persons share the same frame of reference) then the plenitude
should necessarily be regarded from the first person perspective.

Is it correct to say that the plenitude is invariant when seen from the
first person? In other words, are all the future potentialities present
in the same amount as seen by any observer (no matter how little or how
much his life is compromised by his circumstances)? This may be a basic
invariance law in the MWI similar to the invariance of c in relativity.

If this invariance is true, then your statement that the UD is a nice
third person description for the plenitude is OK however it would only
be a derivation from the plenitude invariance principle The UD would
also be invariant to describe or generate the plenitude, for any observer.

> Please recall me your feelings about the comp hyp in the cognitive
> science/philosophy
> of mind, if you mind.

This is a hard question to answer, but I'll give it a try. I am very
committed to the first person "relativistic" or "relative" perspective.
I believe that science has been gradually moving toward it from the days
of Galileo and Copernicus. Einstein made the "I" relative in space and
time. Everett made it relative in the quantum realm. I want to push that
to its ultimate conclusion: that the "I" should be the basic axiom from
which everything else derives. In "I", I include consciousness and its
logical process.

I reviewed your Universal Dovetailer Argument. at your internet site and
I agree very much with it. However, I have some questions. Step 1-11
forces the reader to consider the first person perspective. Step 12 may
have been taken too hastily. It presumes that the observer in steps 1-11
exists in a plenitude (for example a closed set of the set of
programmable functions). This is not clear. In fact step 1-11 could have
been taken in a reduced universe.

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