Re: Extra Terrestrials

From: MMHaffner <>
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:27:29 -0700 wrote:
> In a message dated 08/04/2000 6:39:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
> > George, your thoughts on ETs are remarkable, clear and pure.
> > I think you fashion the ETs exactly in our terrestrial (and present)
> > ways of thinking and existence.
> > Our "mind" is the product of the "Gaian" biosphere conditions.
> > How else could we 'design' them, if no in sci-fi?
> > John Mikes
> >
> > ""
> >
> Thank you John for your feedback. I am sure others will not be as generous.
> What you say is partially true. We are deeply influenced by "Gaia", our
> environment. However, there are certain concepts which have bearing far
> beyond our earth. For example the current physical sciences apply almost to
> the begining of time and to the end of space. Concepts like evolutionary
> selection of the fittest and the anthropy principle have an almost
> mathematical quality to them, and are surely universal.
> I just want to be more explicit in my characterization of the guardian
> angels, the fatalisitic slobs and the narcissistic gods.
> The guardian angels are outwardly focussed. Their view of the MW provides
> them with boundless optimism which stems from their relativistic belief that
> their measure does not decrease upon death. Since, they believe in their own
> immortality their attitude is to live to the fullest, to cooperate, be good
> to each other and enjoy their unending experience of the MW. Even though they
> may be in the valley of the shadow of death, their cup runneth over. QS is
> anathema to them. Their highest regards is to respect, preserve, protect and
> promote creation. They strive to shield lesser civilizations that haven't
> reached their level, just as earth's environmetalists are protecting
> endangered animals. Their contribution to the MW is one of creation.
> The fatalistic slobs also believe that measure does not decrease upon death.
> Measure does not decrease and does not increase no matter what. So why
> bother? Their lack the moral drive of the guardian angels and the narcissism
> of the gods leads them to achieve their nirvana by denying their own self and
> by merging with the "whole" MW. This leads them to a kind of suicide which
> you may call ZS (Zen suicide), and in this regards they are similar to the
> gods. Their contribution to the MW is zero.
> The narcissistic gods are egocentric, self centered, self interested,
> egostistical, and egomaniacal. Their goal in life is to seek self
> satisfaction. Their disrespect for creation is so extreme that they sacrifice
> their own life to reach divinity. The creation of their world involves their
> own destruction in ours. They rather be the god of a small pond then a fish
> in a big one. (Except, they can argue that the size of the pond always
> appears to be the same, no matter how many times they die, and in this they
> share the optimism of the guardian angels) Their contribution to the MW is
> one of destruction.
> It is possible I suppose for gods to become guardian angels and vice versa,
> or for fatalistic slobs to change to angels or to gods.
> Niclas wrote:
> >Heh, I briefly wondered about something like this a while back - Is
> >misguided QS the cause of doom for most civilisations? As you mention,
> >however, the ASSA should be carefully pondered before trying anything
> >stupid. And surely aliens would too.
> I agree.
> Richard Lubbock wrote:
> >What is QS? I'm jut a poor ignorant lurker on this list and I don't
> >know all these clever things.
> Quantum Suicide (QS) uses the hypothesis that, when, from an observer A point
> of view, person B appears to die or commit suicide, person B perceives
> himself to continue living even though he will appear to be dead according to
> person A. The basis for this hypothesis is that the Multiple World
> Interpretation postulates that the "universe splits" upon every quantum event
> and that the person who appears to die actually, "may" continues to live in a
> small number of branches in which the conditions prevailing in his
> environment are not supporting his death.
> QS is the concept that you could for example set up a suicide situation in
> which you instantly die unless you win one million dollars at the lottery.
> The result is that you die in most world where you don't win the lottery, but
> in those worlds where you do win, you will perceive yourself winning -
> obviously. In no world will you lose AND be conscious. The issue that has
> been argued in this group is whether the number of branches where a person
> lives (the measure) is an absolute number or a relative one. If it is
> absolute, then death does decrease the "measure" of a person. On the other
> hand, if it is relative, then measure appears to be the same to any observer,
> no matter, how many times he has performed QS.
> BTW, PLEASE DON"T QS. IT"S ONLY A HYPOTHESIS. In any case, you'll find out
> soon enough through entirely natural means about death and immortality!
> George Levy

QS, first time I've heard that phrase.

>From another angle, one could say that we have all 'committed' QS
already umpteen times, with conscious and unconscious intent.

This life now, could be from a previous 'death' in another life.

Ideas/Comments ?

Martin Marcel Haffner
Received on Thu Aug 10 2000 - 07:45:05 PDT

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