Re: Some comments

From: Jacques Mallah <>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:02:02 -0700 (PDT)

--- Marchal <> wrote:
> Jacques Mallah [wrote]:
> >My view is that math is fundamental. Ideas should
> >be derivable from the math of computations. The
> >physical world is real in that it is mathematical.
> OK Jacques. But then I call you a (platonist sort
> of) idealist. (Just a question of terminology).
> And I'm not sure I understand the "the" in "the
> physical world".

    By 'the' I mean the one I see; I do not imply it's
the only one.

> Brent Meeker wrote:
> >It depends on what you take as fundamental. From a
> >Cartesian viewpoint, thoughts and perceptions are
> >fundamental - all else, including physics, is
> >inferred and constructed from the coherence and
> >relations we perceive. Hence to use physics to
> >explain that coherence and consistency is somewhat
> >circular.

    It depends on what you mean by "explain".

> Jacques Mallah wrote:
> > In the case of observers, implementing a conscious
> >computation (OM) can be a property of the
> >and this property I consider automatically present
> >if the math is right without needing psychophysical
> >laws. I thus reduce consciousness to math.
> What substrate? How will you define or recognize a
> substrate within the math.

    The substrate is all of the math. For example,
you use a substrate, in the form of a UD.

> I think I agree with you, except I am not sure you
> actually propose a precise mean[s] for
> the reduction of consciousness to math.

    When I get my criterion for implementation, and
neuroscience tells us more about which computations
the human brain does, it will be as precise as can be

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