Re: The Anthropic Principle Boundary Conditions

From: Jacques Mallah <>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:36:32 -0700 (PDT)

--- Brent Meeker <> wrote:
> I agree that "observer-moments" or "thoughts" must
> be the fundamental starting point (going Descarte[s]
> one better). I don't know how George gets to "I
> think";

    OK. BTW, don't forget to reply to the list, not
just me, if you want everyone to see it.

> but it seems to me that there is a directly
> perceived order to "my" thoughts which creates the
> idea of time. Also there are thoughts which are
> connected in a law-like way, i.e. according to the
> naive physics of objects in 3-space.

    Here, you use theory to hypothesize the existance
of other "past" thoughts based on the contents of your
memory banks.

> I'm sure you're all familiar with the Poincare'
> effect -- the sudden perception of a mathematical
> proof about which you have not even been
> (consciously) thinking. So is rationality
> distinct from consciousness.

    Although, how do you even know you weren't
consciously thinking about it? All you know is, the
part of your brain that directly interacts with the
outside world doesn't remember it. Perhaps other
parts have observer-moments of their own.

> The kind of rationality which is referred to using
> the WAP is only the perception of naive physics. In
> Daniel Dennett's book "Consciousness Explained" he
> gives some examples of experiments which show
> that ones consciousness is not even a single
> process, but is a meta-phenomena of multiple
> processes. The relevance to this list is that use
> of the WAP in reasoning about the ensemble theory of
> the universe is often sloppy as to what the
> "anthropic" part is.


> OK Jacques, how do you derive "Jacques".

    It's a French name :)

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