On 30 Mar 2009, at 18:23, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
> Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> Hi Kelly, and others,
>>
>> Well, thanks for your report. Did you smoke the extract? It usually
>> last for 4 minutes. It is amazing it did last so long with you, I
>> know
>> only one case of an experience lasting 20 minutes. I am happy you
>> found
>> your experience interesting. You can consult and discuss your
>> experience, and those of others here:
>> http://www.entheogen.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=135
>>
>> Now the real question is, does that experience helped in providing,
>> for
>> example, an answer to my last remark to Quentin?
>>
>> I quote the question again. It is important concerning
>> comp-immortality, and eventually how to derive physics from computer
>> science.
>> I do think such a question is difficult, and show the weakness in
>> identifying the self with personal memories, and this justifies the
>> necessity of the AUDA move, I think.
>>
>> Of course, if you enjoy dream-state-like, you can enjoy Salvia
>> without
>> troubling yourself with hard metaphysical questions. Yet I would be
>> interesting if Quentin or Stathis, or anyone, could acknowledge a
>> conceptual difficulty here.
>>
>> <<Hmmm...
>> I ask you, and others, this question. What is the probability "now",
>> that you will find yourself in Washington and Moscow the 24 december
>> 2009, when you are annihilated in Brussels, now, (17 March 2009) and
>> reconstituted in both Moscow and Washington the 18 March 2009, say)?
>> The problem is that the reconstitution machine did dysfunction in
>> Washington, so that, from the 18 March 2009 up to the 20 Augustus
>> 2009
>> you (the you in Washington) suffered a "total amnesia". And then,
>> "you" recovered slowly and progressively from that through adequate
>> medication up to a total recall, the 23 December (and none of yous
>> did
>> move from W or M).
>>
>> Note that with high concentrated extract of Salvia Divinorum, people
>> can "suffer" (or "enjoy") a total amnesia, where you forget not just
>> your name and memories of life, but you forget even what is a person,
>> what is space, what is time. Yet you remain conscious. Life
>> appears as
>> a dream, that you recall vaguely, and then forget, and then you
>> forget
>> you did that dream. Yet "you" come back. (See the reports, I don't
>> encourage its consumption, but anyone interested by consciousness can
>> be interested by such reports).>>
>
> It seems to me this creates a problem for the idea of "closest
> continuation". Why, having entered this memoryless, dream-like state,
> should the closest continuation be the former "you"? Of course the
> same
> problem arises from ordinary dreams in which you dream you are someone
> else. The continuity of "you" through these dreams is straightforward
> on a materialist model.
Err... Well "closest continuation" is abandoned at stage UDA_3, and
materialism at UDA_8. You are using some non-comp hypothesis here, I
think. No problem with that, but you should explain one day your
theory of mind. You will need strong infinities on both the mind side
and the body side to hang them together. But this is old discussion,
we can come back later.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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