Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

From: Brent Meeker <>
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:07:50 -0800

To have strict continuity you would certainly need the state, but not
at the quantum level, see Tegmark's paper. But you could probably do
without most of the state information if you were willing to accept a
gap - as in anesthesia.


ronaldheld wrote:
> Maybe the terminology does not fit here, to make a copy of my brain,
> wouldn't you need more than memories, but the state of the brain at
> one time to "quantum resolution" (TNG transporter term).
> Ronald
> On Feb 23, 9:04 pm, Stathis Papaioannou <> wrote:
>> 2009/2/24 Brent Meeker <>:
>>> I tend to agree with Quentin that memories are an essential component of
>>> personal identity. But that also raises a problem with ideas like
>>> "observer moments" and "continuity". Almost all my memories are not
>>> being remembered at an given time. Some I may not recall for years at a
>>> time. I may significant periods of time in which I am not consciously
>>> recalling any memories. So then how can memories and continuity be
>>> essential? I practice we rely on continuity of the body and then ask,
>>> "Does this body have (some) appropriate memories?"
>> The continuity is contingent on having access to the relevant memories
>> as required. If you are listening to a recording the parts where the
>> music plays must be from that particular recording, but the silent
>> parts could as easily be from any other recording. In the same way, if
>> you are staring at a blank wall thinking of nothing for a moment, then
>> during that moment you might be a generic human having such a similar
>> experience.
>> --
>> Stathis Papaioannou
> >

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