2009/2/27 Brent Meeker <meekerdb.domain.name.hidden>
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> Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> > 2009/2/27 Bruno Marchal <marchal.domain.name.hidden <mailto:marchal.domain.name.hidden>>
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> >
> > On 26 Feb 2009, at 18:41, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> >>
> >> There is no identity without memories... makes no sense to me.
> >
> > I take it as a superficial part of identity, with respect to
> > surviving. Personal identity, I think is more and less than personal
> > memories.
> > By loosing memory "I" would be wounded, not dead.
> >
> >
> > By loosing your memory, the resulting 'I' is no more the previous 'I'
> > and in this settings it makes no sense to talk about 'I', the subject is
> > not the same.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> If "I" with my memories happen to have no next moment with my
> >> memories... I will be dead, and no cul-de-sac is false... a next
> >> moment where none of your memories is left is no more a next moment.
> >
> > No memories at all? In that case some month ago I would have agreed
> > with you, but I have lost any certainties here.
> >
> >
> > What is you ? By what you say, I'm as you as you are... But I can assure
> > you, I'm not you, and if tomorrow you wake up without your memories but
> > mine instead you'll be me not you anymore (and If you have my memories
> > you'll be rightly believe so).
>
> I don't think it's as sharply defined as that. Besides conscious
> memory there is also "muscle memory" and values and other character
> traits.
Yes but if All of Bruno memories are erased and replaced by All of my
memories... the "muscle memories" are part of it and any other kind of
"memories". And in this sense this person is no more Bruno but Me and the
previous Bruno simply cease to exist.
> So there must be degrees of "being Bruno".
Sure, the Bruno of 5 years old is Bruno... but Bruno at 5 years old.
> Memories aren't
> everything, anymore than bodies.
>
> Brent
>
Well this is what form personhood.
Regards,
Quentin
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