Re: Asifism

From: Torgny Tholerus <>
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:21:10 +0200 (CEST)

> On Tuesday 19 June 2007 11:37:09 Torgny Tholerus wrote:
>> What you call "the subjective experience of first person" is just some
>> sort of behaviour. When you claim that you have "the subjective
>> experience
>> of first person", I can see that you are just showing a special kind of
>> behaviour. You behave as if you have "the subjective experience of
>> first
>> person". And it is possible for an enough complicated computer to show
>> up
>> the exact same behaviour. But in the case of the computer, you can see
>> that there is no "subjective experience", there are just a lot of
>> electrical fenomena interacting with each other.
>> There is no first person experience problem, because there is no first
>> person experience.
> In all your reasoning you implicitely use "consciousness" for example when
> you
> says "When you claim that you have the subjective experience
> of first person, *I* can see that you are just showing a special kind of
> behaviour."
> Who/what is "I" ? Who/what is seeing ? What does it means for you to see
> if
> you have no inner representation of what you (hmmm if you're not
> conscious,
> you is not an appropriate word) see, what does it means to see at all ?
> In all your reasonning you allude to "I", this is what 1st pov is about
> not
> about you (the conscious being/knower) looking at another person as if
> there
> was no obsever (means you) in the observation.
> Quentin

Our language is very primitive. You can not decribe the reality with it.

If you have a computer robot with a camera and an arm, how should that
robot express itself to descibe what it observes? Could the robot say: "I
see a red brick and a blue brick, och when I take the blue brick and
places it on the red brick, then I see that the blue brick is over the red

But if the robot says this, then you will say that this proves that the
robot is conscious, because it uses the word "I".

How shall the robot express itself, so it will be correct? It this
possible? Or is our language incapable of expressing reality?

We human beings are slaves under our language. The language restricts out

Torgny Tholerus
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