On Tuesday 19 June 2007 11:37:09 Torgny Tholerus wrote:
>> Mohsen Ravanbakhsh skrev:
>>>The "subjective experience" is just some sort of behaviour. You can make
>>> computers show the same sort of >behavior, if the computers are enough
>>> complicated.
>
>> But we're not talking about 3rd person point of view. I can not see how
>> you reduce the subjective experience of first person to the behavior that
>> a third person view can evaluate! All the problem is this first person
>> experience.
>
> What you call "the subjective experience of first person" is just some
> sort of behaviour. When you claim that you have "the subjective experience
> of first person", I can see that you are just showing a special kind of
> behaviour. You behave as if you have "the subjective experience of first
> person". And it is possible for an enough complicated computer to show up
> the exact same behaviour. But in the case of the computer, you can see
> that there is no "subjective experience", there are just a lot of
> electrical fenomena interacting with each other.
>
> There is no first person experience problem, because there is no first
> person experience.
>
> --
> Torgny Tholerus
In all your reasoning you implicitely use "consciousness" for example when you
says "When you claim that you have the subjective experience
of first person, *I* can see that you are just showing a special kind of
behaviour."
Who/what is "I" ? Who/what is seeing ? What does it means for you to see if
you have no inner representation of what you (hmmm if you're not conscious,
you is not an appropriate word) see, what does it means to see at all ?
In all your reasonning you allude to "I", this is what 1st pov is about not
about you (the conscious being/knower) looking at another person as if there
was no obsever (means you) in the observation.
Quentin
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Received on Tue Jun 19 2007 - 12:35:37 PDT