Re: Asifism

From: Mark Peaty <>
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 02:16:57 +0800

'I've seen quite a few deluded people who believe that they are
dead, but
> no-one who thinks they're unconscious...'

MP: There is possibly a loose end or two here and perhaps
clarification is needed, yet again:

* It may well be that history is in the making, Torgny Tholerus
is breaking new ground with Earth shaking results [sorry :-],
and kudos will be yours if you can book him in first for a
consultation [or dissection if it comes to that].

* Or this could conceivably be construed as a 'state of grace'
in that Torgny is operating with no mental capacity being wasted
on self-talk or internal commentary: 'just doing' whatever needs
to be done and 'just being' what he needs to be; very Zen!

* Then again it may be that I have misunderstood TT's grammar
and that what he is denying is simply the separate existence of
something called 'consciousness'. If that be the case then I
would not argue because I agree that the subjective impression
of being here now is simply what it is like to be part of the
processing the brain does, ie updating the model of self in the

* But I agree also that you are highly unlikely to come across
someone who can truthfully say 'I am not conscious'. It seems
totally self-contradictory: for example a person not just with
'hemi' neglect, but total neglect. How could such a person
encounter themselves or the world?
Or is there the possibility of something like so-called
blindsight in every sensory modality? For example: deaf-hearing,
numb-sensing, proprio-non-ception? This would imply a zombie
[without 'a life'] which survived by making apparently random
guesses about everything yet getting significantly more than
chance success in each modality.

A scary thought!


Mark Peaty CDES

Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> On 09/06/07, *Mark Peaty* <
> <>> wrote:'
> > What is the philosophical term for persons like me, that totally deny
> > the existence of the consciousness?'
> MP: I think the word you are looking for is "deluded".
> I've seen quite a few deluded people who believe that they are dead, but
> no-one who thinks they're unconscious... something to keep an eye out for.
> --
> Stathis Papaioannou

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