John, I guess my brain is generating my consciousness, but I regard this as a contingent fact. My conciousness is that which I experience, and if I found myself continuing to have similar experiences despite teleportation, brain transplant, resurrection in Heaven or whatever, then I would have survived as me. Note that I am not saying these things are possible (perhaps this is where you are scornful of the fantastic scenarios), just that IF in these situations I continued to think I was me, THEN ipso facto, I would still be me, despite losing the original body and brain.Stathis PapaioannouFrom: jamikes.domain.name.hidden: everything-list.domain.name.hidden: Re: ASSA and Many-WorldsDate: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:54:32 -0500
Stathis:
interesting. See my additional question after your
reply
John
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Subject: RE: ASSA and Many-Worlds
John Mikes writes: > Stathis:> your
concluding sentence is> " But my brain just won't let me think this
way."> *> Have you been carried away?> Who is "your
brain" to make decisions upon you? (maybe you mean only that the mechanism of
your brain, the main tool "YOU" use in mental activity, is not
predesigned for such action?) So: is there a pre-design (ha ha)?> More
importantly: who is that "me" in conflict with 'your' brain?> How
do you 'want' to 'think' something (which involves your brain) when 'your
brain' won't let it happen?> OK, let's introduce "you", the homunculus,
who wants to think some way and your 'brain' did not reach the sophistication
of the design (yet?) to comply - as a reason for "won't let me".> With
what 'tool' did "you" WANT to "think this way"? How many people are you
indeed?> *> I am asking these stupid qiestions in the line of my
search for SELF ("I"), vs. the total interconnectedness of our personal
existence with 'the rest of the world'. I expect that you may provide useful
hooks for me in such respect.> John"I" am the product of a
consciousness-generating mechanism, my brain, in the same way as "walking" is
the product of a locomotion-generating mechanism, my legs. "I" am not
identical to my brain just as "walking" is not identical to my legs. Now, of
course "I can only think what my brain will let me think", and of course "I
can only walk where my legs will let me walk", but these statements are not
tautologies in the way that saying "I can only think what I can think" or "I
can only walk where I can walk" are. Stathis Papaioannou-----------------------------------
JM:
so you consider the biologic tissue-grown (stem-cell
initiated) BRAIN the origin of a thinking person? Life growing out from
'matter' - which is the figment of our explanatory effort to poorly and
incompletely observed impact received from parts unknown? Funny: you invested
so many posts into the (partial) teleportation and copying into other
universes - did you really MEAN
the transfer of tissues (like in StarTrek?) How 'bout the
multiple 'copying' of matter? How can you duplicate the atoms for
copying? StarTrek had only 1 copy and that, too, by 'physical'
transfer.
Save the wrong conclusion: I am not defending this line, I
find it unreal and just mention the position of yours and others on this list
for argument's sake.
I find it 'interesting, but amazing' that different brains
(see: the multiplicity of humans and other animals among themselves) behave
like mental clones in accepting very similar "3rd person views" into their 1st
person ideas, to form images of the 'material world' etc. Mental images, that
is, which, however you would make into their own origination? Are we
all (and the world, the existnce etc.) only fiction of ourselves?
Then again I feel that the 'consciousness' you generate by
the brain may be very close to personality, self, the "I" we are talking
about. Which would close the loop: "there must be the 'primitive matter'
forming the brain and out of that comes the 'not-so-primitive' matter, the
mental complexity and all"???
I agree withBruno to disagree in the absolute primitive
matter concept. IMO
It is only an explanatory imaging in this universe's
consciousness activity to order the part of the system we so far detected.
Together with space-time and OUR pet-causality - the 'within model'
ordering.
John
PS I still would appreciate to be directed to a short text
explaining the essence of ASSA (RSSA?). J
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