Re: Summary

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:51:38 EDT

In a message dated 99-10-05 01:45:10 EDT, Russell Standish writes:

>Hmm... I would for the most part follow the many perspective
>interpretation, however I consider that perspectives without conscious
>observers may also be considered to exist, (in as much as they are
>self-consistent) in that they may be able to be imagined by conscious
>observers elsewhere in the plenitude.

A perspective world without a conscious observer, seems to be a contradiction
in terms. Yet you make the point that such a world can exist in the
imagination of an observer elsewhere in the Plenitude. This world then exists
or is simulated or dreamed in the observer's mind and is in fact observed by
the observer's mind's eye. Is there an identical world out of his mind and in
the Plenitude? If there is, we must go back to Leibniz Identity Principle
(LIP). Are the world in the mind and the world in the Plenitude one and the
same or are they different? If they are the same, then in a sense these
worlds are observed by the observer's mind's eye. If they are different then
what is the nature of this difference? The difference is not inherent in the
worlds themselves. It lies in the presence or absence of a simulating
observer, property which is outside these worlds! This is a contradiction.
Thus, it appears that the only way out is to accept LIP for this particular

The other case of a perspective world without a conscious observer, and which
does not exist in any observer's mind is definitely a contradiction in terms.
Such a world is just portion of the Plenitude which is out of reach of
consciousness possibly because its inherent self contradictions prevents
consciousness from arising within it or from imagining it. Do such worlds
exist? In other words are there portions of the Plenitude which are
inaccessible? I think that in this case, the verb "to be" loses its meaning
and I rather not discuss it further.

George Levy
Received on Wed Oct 06 1999 - 14:31:30 PDT

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