Fair enough. I was just meaning that one cannot 1-tell as you put
it. I agree that it may be possible to empirically distinguish between
living in a UD and not in a UD, although that remains to be seen.
On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 11:40:04AM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> 
> 
> Le 20-nov.-06, à 23:19, Russell Standish wrote (in part):
> 
> > The first one? It doesn't matter whether you're implemented using a UD
> > running on a bare physical substrate, as on a 15th nested UD or a
> > Googolplex+1 th nested one. You cannot tell the difference from the
> > inside - that's the point of computationalism.
> 
> My point is that we can. From inside, just because locally you cannot 
> know if you are in the 15th nested UD, or the 16th nested UD, or the 
> 17th nested UD, etc., it follows that from inside to compute any 
> prediction you have to sum up on them (the nested UD) all, and this 
> entails verifiable empirically propositions.
> 
> 
> 
> > Just as importantly, if
> > there were an infinite nest of UDs, or the UD nest looped so that the
> > UD in which you're implemented also executed itself, you still couldn't
> > tell.
> 
> I can. To sum up, it is really because I cannot 1-tell the difference 
> between any computation capable of simulating "me", that I can, by 
> observation, get evidence (or refutation) that reality is an 
> arithmetical video game. The "sum on all computations" comes from this 
> fact alone.
> 
> This follows already from the UDA, but should be transparently clear 
> with the AUDA (Arithmetical translation of the UDA).
> 
> More in my reply to Tom.
> 
> Bruno
> 
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
> 
> 
> > 
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