RE: Natural Order & Belief

From: Stathis Papaioannou <>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:59:29 +1100

I suspect you can talk about God in this way when the subject of atheism
comes up because you live in post-Enlightenment Europe. But if you lived in
a certain large English-speaking country where a substantial proportion of
the population believe that God created Adam and Eve 6000 years ago and
the dinosaurs died out because they didn't fit on Noah's ark, you might be less
keen to suggest anything that might be construed as supporting theism.
Stathis Papaioannou
> Le 16-nov.-06, à 06:58, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
> >
> >
> > I'm curious: how many people on this list are theists?
> >> CF:
> >>> A theist God (as opposed to a deist God) is one who intervenes in
> >>> the natural order, i.e. does miracles. Stenger will readily admit
> >>> that his argument does not apply to a deist God.
> >>
> >>> Brent Meeker
> It will all depend by what you mean by "God", "natural order",
> "miracles", which today have vague meaninsg based on a long "non
> scientific" tradition in the religious and theological matter.
> So, if by God you refer to the big unameable 0-person pov (like in the
> arithmetical interpretation of Plotinus where the "ONE" of the
> arithmetical machine is interpreted by the "truth" about that machine,
> or like the taoist tao, ...) then I am theist, or open to theism in the
> sense that arithmetical truth (the "ONE" 0-person hypostase) arguably
> "intervenes" in the "natural order" (in the fourth and fifth
> hypostases: intelligible and sensible matter).
> Concerning the term "miracles" I cannot find a meaning for it, except
> perhaps by "rare and unexplainable facts", but "unexplainable" is a
> relative notion, and it is not hard to figure out that no
> consistent/correct machine can ever distinguish a very hard to explain
> phenomenon and some unexplainable one (which can be shown to exist ...
> but only relatively to any precise machine).
> Bruno
> >
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