Re: Natural Order & Belief

From: Bruno Marchal <>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:29:57 +0100

Le 16-nov.-06, à 06:58, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit :
> I'm curious: how many people on this list are theists?
>> CF:
>>> A theist God (as opposed to a deist God) is one who intervenes in
>>> the natural order, i.e. does miracles. Stenger will readily admit
>>> that his argument does not apply to a deist God.
>>> Brent Meeker
It will all depend by what you mean by "God", "natural order",
"miracles", which today have vague meaninsg based on a long "non
scientific" tradition in the religious and theological matter.
So, if by God you refer to the big unameable 0-person pov (like in the
arithmetical interpretation of Plotinus where the "ONE" of the
arithmetical machine is interpreted by the "truth" about that machine,
or like the taoist tao, ...) then I am theist, or open to theism in the
sense that arithmetical truth (the "ONE" 0-person hypostase) arguably
"intervenes" in the "natural order" (in the fourth and fifth
hypostases: intelligible and sensible matter).
Concerning the term "miracles" I cannot find a meaning for it, except
perhaps by "rare and unexplainable facts", but "unexplainable" is a
relative notion, and it is not hard to figure out that no
consistent/correct machine can ever distinguish a very hard to explain
phenomenon and some unexplainable one (which can be shown to exist ...
but only relatively to any precise machine).
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