Le 10-oct.-06, à 03:52, Russell Standish a écrit :
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> On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 10:35:05AM -0700, 1Z wrote:
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>> The idea that materialism is not compatible with computationalism
>> is a bold and startling claim.
>
> Materialism comes in a couple of different flavours. The one that COMP
> is incompatible with is "eliminative materialism", also sometimes
> known as physicalism.
Comp has indeed be shown to be incompatible with physicalism (the
doctrine that physics is the fundamental science).
But physicalism is not necessarily eliminativist. Most physicalist
believes in consciousness, even if they believe that consciousness
emerges from the behavior of some putative "matter".
Eliminative materialist does not believe in consciousness or first
person at all. Some says this explicitly, others are unclear or just
incoherent.
Comp is not incompatible with the existence of primary or primitive
matter, but the UDA shows that comp has to be incompatible with any
relation between that matter and the *appearance* of matter or of
physical laws; making matter and material universe(s) as useless as
invisible horse pulling cars.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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Received on Tue Oct 10 2006 - 08:18:36 PDT