RE: Jacques, champion of truth, justice and the American way

From: Higgo James <>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:23:25 -0000

Jacques, I really did not say that number of copies does not affect measure.
Obviously I would not say something so self-contradictory. I am not
interested in number of copies or measure, merely in my own macroscopic
emergent conscious experiences. I give up trying to explain.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacques M Mallah []
> Sent: 27 January 1999 22:57
> To: Wei Dai
> Cc: Higgo James; ''
> Subject: Re: Jacques, champion of truth, justice and the American way
> > On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 09:51:53AM -0000, Higgo James wrote:
> > > Jacques, Darwin has a lot of work to do before I become a slave to my
> genes,
> > > which is what you advocate. I don't say consciousness jumps
> magically.
> > > Our consciousness, like anything, exists in the same form in very many
> sets
> > > of universes. It doesn't make sense to say 'I am that one' or 'no, I'm
> that
> > > one'. You are all of them, and as many sets you could call 'you' get
> 'shut
> > > down' because of a vacuum collapse or supernova or quantum suicide
> > > experiemnt, they become no longer you, and irrelevant to you.
> If the number of copies did not affect the measure, which is what
> you just said, then all possible observations would have the same measure,
> since at least one copy would exist somewhere. In that case there would
> be nothing to favor, say, observing consistent laws of physics. Our
> observations would be quite atypical.
> So we can dismiss that possibility right away. The only
> alternative is that the number of copies is relevant and does determine
> the measure.
> On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Wei Dai wrote:
> > Seriously, why can't we agree that there is no single right answer here,
> > just like there is no single right answer for the Coke vs Pepsi
> > question. Whether or not QS is rational depends on one's subjective
> > values.
> That's never been the issue. We all agree it depends on one's
> values. But if the QS advocates understood the facts, the values they
> have expressed clearly indicate that they would not want to commit
> suicide. They don't understand that it would reduce their measure, and
> while some may say they do but don't care about measure, it is obvious
> that they still don't understand measure.
> If they really didn't care about measure, they wouldn't care about
> immortality for instance; they would be content to have a short but good
> time, then die (really die). They would have a small amount of
> measure, but all of it 'good times'. But they don't want that; they want
> more life, more measure.
> p.s. I just got a Li & Vitanyi and it looks like just what my toolkit
> can use.
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