Re: Spirit, conciousness, free will and infinite nesting

From: Saj Malhi <sajm.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:28:36 -0000

As far as I am aware the fastest neurons in the body conduct messages at
around 170 mph. How do you reconcile this with the 'infinite nesting'
theory? Or, more fundamentally, the very fact that the two ends of the
'chain of command' you have postulated are indeed communicating somehow (as
we are living testimony) surely precludes an infinite number of levels since
this would mean that:-
a). the transmission velocity is infinite and we therefore perceive things
instantly (not the case)
b). the transmission velocity is finite and we therefore don't perceive
things at all (not the case).



>
>I would like to explain further my idea according to which the spirit and
>its properties, consciousness and free will, may emerge from an infinite
>nesting of levels of material organizations and of approximative theories
>more and more precize (see
>http://www.website2u.com/log/text/reflmph/english/naturesp.htm).
>
>At the first level, Descartes said : "I think, therefore I am". The
>mind-spirit is seen as a transcendental unity independent from matter.
>At first sight, I could consider my life as an interaction between what I
am
>(my spirit) and what I am not (the matter, and other's spirit) : the spirit
>sends actions to the matter and the matter sends perceptions to the spirit.
>
>We could represent it like this :
>
> perception
> spirit1 <---------- matter1
> ---------->
> action
>
>But is it a determinated delimitation between the spirit and the matter ?
>Looking deeper, we discover that the brain (or more precisely a part of it)
>is a sort of computer at our disposal, and we perceive its thoughts, we are
>conscious of them. We can then say : "It thinks, and I perceive it
>thinking".
>
>This could be represented by
>
> +------------------------------+
> | perception | perception
> | spirit2 <---------- matter2 |<---------- matter1
> | ----------> | ---------->
> | action | action
> +------------------------------+
> spirit1
>
>Concerning free will, we could also say that it (matter2) decides, but this
>decision may be influed by me (spirit2).
>
>Perhaps we could go further and locate in the brain an area responsible of
>this introspective perception, but the consciousness still remains. We
>should perhaps say : "It thinks, it perceives it thinking and I perceive it
>perceiving it thinking".
>
> +-----------------------------------------------------+
> | +------------------------------+ |
> | | perception | perception | perception
> | | spirit3 <---------- matter3 |<---------- matter2 |<---------- matter1
> | | ----------> | ----------> | ---------->
> | | action | action | action
> | +------------------------------+ |
> | spirit2 |
> +-----------------------------------------------------+
> spirit1
>
>These successive "I" (spirit1, spirit2, spirit3...) are not the same but
>nested kernels of our spirit, getting smaller and smaller but never empty,
>and my idea is that consciousness and free will may emerge from this
>infinite nesting.
>
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