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From: Jacques M Mallah <jqm1584.domain.name.hidden>

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:54:06 -0500

On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Wei Dai wrote:

*> A definition of when a physical system contains some information may not
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*> be necessary. If the measure of a conscious experience is related to the
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*> measure of the associated state information, then all we need is a measure
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*> on the set of all possible states. We can simply say that the universe is
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*> this measure, and any perceived physical systems are just illusions
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*> produced by our own minds. Similarly, if the measure of a conscious
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*> experience is related to the measure of the associated computation, then
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*> it would suffice to have a measure on the set of all possible
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*> computations.
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I don't think that avoids the problem. Suppose you start off with

some kind of uniform measure on the space of computations. You then have

to consider that computation A can implement computation B. To find the

real measure you would have to take such secondary implementations into

account, perhaps along the line I suggested in one of my first posts to

this list. It is essentially the same problem to determine when one

computation implements another as it is to determine when a physical

system (which is like the first computation) implements one.

You could arbritrarily rule out secondary implementations, but

then you'd be stuck with a trivial uniform measure, with no mechanism for

Darwinian natural selection.

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Jacques Mallah (jqm1584.domain.name.hidden)

Graduate Student / Many Worlder / Devil's Advocate

"I know what no one else knows" - 'Runaway Train', Soul Asylum

My URL: http://pages.nyu.edu/~jqm1584/

Received on Wed Jan 20 1999 - 10:58:30 PST

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:54:06 -0500

On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Wei Dai wrote:

I don't think that avoids the problem. Suppose you start off with

some kind of uniform measure on the space of computations. You then have

to consider that computation A can implement computation B. To find the

real measure you would have to take such secondary implementations into

account, perhaps along the line I suggested in one of my first posts to

this list. It is essentially the same problem to determine when one

computation implements another as it is to determine when a physical

system (which is like the first computation) implements one.

You could arbritrarily rule out secondary implementations, but

then you'd be stuck with a trivial uniform measure, with no mechanism for

Darwinian natural selection.

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Jacques Mallah (jqm1584.domain.name.hidden)

Graduate Student / Many Worlder / Devil's Advocate

"I know what no one else knows" - 'Runaway Train', Soul Asylum

My URL: http://pages.nyu.edu/~jqm1584/

Received on Wed Jan 20 1999 - 10:58:30 PST

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