RE: platinum-eaters and alien abductees

From: Stathis Papaioannou <stathispapaioannou.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:22:15 +1000

Perhaps what you are in part getting at is the difference between
statements of opinion or value, on the one hand, and statements of fact
(either empirical or logical truths) on the other. The distinction seems
to have come late in the history of Western philosophy (the British
Empiricists, particularly David Hume), and it still isn't appreciated by
most non-philosophers. There is a sense in which the former type of
statement can be turned into the latter, if we accept some axiom against
which statements of value can be tested; however, the axiom is commonly
either unrecognized or falsely accorded the status of an empirical or
logical truth.
 
Stathis Papaioannou
 
Jef Albright writes:
 
Finally, the very notion of continuity of personal identity, which is
necessary if "survival" is to have any meaning, is just as much a
product of evolutionary expedience. That is, it is no more logically
necessary that an organism is the "same" individual from one moment to
the next than it is logically necessary that an organism will strive to
survive from one moment to the next. Those organisms which run away when
a predator approaches because they believe they will be the same
individual in the next moment will thrive, while those which believe
that the organism with their approximate shape, memories, position etc.
in the next moment is a completely different individual, and don't care
if that other individual gets eaten, will die out. Such considerations
do not apply to most of the devices that humans produce, which
"replicate" on the basis of usefulness rather than a desire to survive
and have progeny. A car does not care if it is wrecked for spare parts
for use in another car, or a modern sculpture, or whatever, while even a
non-sentient organism such as a bacterium is essentially a machine with
no purpose other than maintaining its structural integrity from moment
to moment and producing exact copies of itself.

I want to add that while I agree with Stathis' remarks, we can abstract
this further and thereby resolve some of the popularly conceived
paradoxes of personal identity and of morality if we consider that what
we really want is to promote our *values* into the future. This
explains how one can rationally sacrifice one's life for one's family or
the good of the greater group on the principle that this is consistent
with promoting the kind of world one (and by extension, most others)
would like to live in. It also resolves the paradox of taking actions
today for the benefit of a self in the future, without the unrealistic
requirement of static personal identity. Of course, we tend to think of
these actions as "good" because we are enmeshed in and a product of the
very process of evolution that tends to promote "what works" into the
future.

- Jef


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