Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> Le Samedi 18 Mars 2006 01:58, peterdjones.domain.name.hidden a écrit :
> > Ground them operationally, then. Real things have real properties and
> > unreal
> > things don't. Real properties can be observed empirically. Primeness
> > then is not
> > a real property.
> >
>
> I have to ask you one more time, but I'll reverse the question, what does it
> means for an object not to be real (hence being abstract) ?
it means it is not an object at all.
> it is not a joke,
> I want to know. All your explanations till now are tautologies
what is tautologous about:
"Real properties can be observed empirically"
i.e. unreal ones cannot.
> and in
> themself have no explanatory power at all.
>
> Quentin
Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> Le Samedi 18 Mars 2006 01:58, peterdjones.domain.name.hidden a écrit :
> > Ground them operationally, then. Real things have real properties and
> > unreal
> > things don't. Real properties can b"e observed empirically. Primeness
> > then is not
> > a real property.
>
> I'll take another stupid example to try to explain my question...
>
> Considering materialist view, what does it means to "have existed" ?
>
> So I'm living right now, I'd say I exists, one day I'll die and in a
> materialist view I'll not exists anymore, will not ever have conscious state.
> What remains of my existance is in the memory of people who knew me, when
> they'll die, It'll be in the memory of people who have been taugh that I
> existed... then they'll die too, and one day humanity will disappear, earth
> will disappear, any trace that humanity has ever existed will disappear, when
> this time come what will render me more real as Tintin (the Hergé comics
> hero)... I have existed but nothing could tell it (even me as at that time
> I'll not be anymore), so what does it means to have existed at all ?
The question is what it means to exist now. You, now, are real. What
connects
with you causally is also real.
> Quentin
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