OOPS, Kim,
now you touched 'what is art'?
BTW: that ancient pianochopping advertised: "plays on
the piano" which was more than your silent musician
could claim. "Playing" can mean different activities.
Not only the brainwashed-in 'artistic' fingering.
Physicists for instance claim to assign some meaning
even to the word-artifact "entropy". (Then they change
it 15-20 times so far and still counting).
Art?
Life?
Creativity?
Have a good day
--- Kim Jones <kimjones.domain.name.hidden> wrote:
>
> But your 20s avant guardist actually *did* something
> in relation to
> his act! My pianist just sits there. There's a
> difference, don't you
> think? In your case something is given, in my case
> nothing is. There
> is no mystery in your case. The mystery in mine is
> why some people
> thought they had received what they paid for and
> others did not.
>
> Perhaps it is only via that special mental activity
> we refer to as
> "creativity" that we are able to "give freely". You
> can even - via
> artistic expression - convince (some) people that
> Nothing is Something.
>
> Happens all the time in Hollywood......;)
>
> You have to remember that most of what people call
> "art" is something
> that happens inside their head anyway. I'm quite
> sure that there
> would have been some people at your concert in the
> 20s who considered
> hacking a piano to pieces a valid form of musical
> expression, just as
> at least half of the audience who sat through John
> Cage's 4'33" (he's
> no 'epigone', mate!) in the 50s were prepared to pay
> the ticket price
> to watch a guy looking at a piano keyboard.
>
> Pure nothing is unusual. I can only JUST bear it for
> 4'33".
>
> Why this duration?
>
> I hope people see the point to this end of the
> discussion
>
> cheers,
>
> Kim
>
>
>
>
> On 07/03/2006, at 6:27 AM, John M wrote:
>
> >
> > Kim,
> >
> > you described an epigon (I suppose) It happened in
> the
> > 20s at an 'avant-guard' performance that the
> pianist
> > walked in with a big hatchet and chopped the piano
> to
> > pieces, then took a bow and left. (I did not call
> that
> > a concert).
> > People like to expect what they are used to.
> >
> > John
> >
> > --- Kim Jones <kimjones.domain.name.hidden> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Somebody once wrote a piece of music which in
> fact
> >> involved not
> >> writing a piece of music at all.
> >>
> >> The score of the piece merely instructs the
> pianist
> >> to sit down, open
> >> the lid of the piano and wait out a period of 4'
> 33"
> >> then close the
> >> piano lid and walk off.
> >>
> >> Many people who "heard" it at the premiere felt
> >> ripped off. Others
> >> agreed with the composer that music had in fact
> >> occurred.
> >>
> >> Something was given for Nothing
> >>
> >> Does something have to be paid for?
> >>
> >> Kim Jones
> >>
> >> On 06/03/2006, at 4:14 PM, Norman Samish wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> "Why is there something rather than nothing?"
> >>>
> >>> When I heard that Famous Question, I did not
> >> assume that "nothing" was
> >>> describable - because, if it was, it would not
> be
> >> "nothing." I
> >>> don't think
> >>> of "nothing" as an empty bitstring - I think of
> it
> >> as the absence of a
> >>> bitstring - as "no thing."
> >>>
> >>> Given that definition, is there a conceivable
> >> answer to The Famous
> >>> Question?
> >>>
> >>> Norman
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> ===========================
> >>
> >> Everyone lies about everything all of the time.
> >> Believe me.
> >>
> >> kimjones.domain.name.hidden
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> ===========================
>
> Everyone lies about everything all of the time.
> Believe me.
>
> kimjones.domain.name.hidden
>
>
>
>
>
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