Re: Machine Dreaming

From: Bruno Marchal <>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:00:15 +0100


Le 23-févr.-06, à 12:05, Kim Jones a écrit :

> Bruno,
> can a Loebian machine dream?

Yes sure. This is so true that I find easier to say that loebian
machine can *only* dream. Then "realities" (including physical
realities) emerges, or should emerge, from some point of view of the
machines, from some class of dreams which can be glued in some coherent
way, and which should correspond to some "many-histories" notion. And
those "many histories" should obey some logic which should be compared
to the empirical logic.

Recall the key formula (Godel's second incompleteness theorem): ~Bf ->
DBf. "If I am consistent then it is consistent that I am not
consistent". "Bf", the provability of the false, is of the type "I am
erroneous" or "I am dead", or "I am dreaming", etc. Any sound machine
cannot be sure she is awake, and ultimately, "to be awake" is only a
serendipitously matter.
Of course a description which is done at a propositional logical level
is bound up to be somehow rough.

> Does it dream the truth of Plotinus' Everything or falsity like you
> and me?

Those things are related. Naming incautiously the Everything can lead
us, and the lobian entity, toward falsity.
I need to say more on the hypostases to proceed. In particular I should
make clear the relation between the hypostases and the
observer-moments. I will do a post once I got the time to do it

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