Le 06-juil.-05, à 07:16, Russell Standish a écrit :
> On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 06:47:40PM -0700, Lee Corbin wrote:
>> There have been many, many investigations of this idea. It may
>> not be an exaggeration to say that the main theme of this list
>> has been a pursuit of the idea. But Stephen Paul King gives a
>> very appropriate name to all the sponsors of these ideas, from
>> Bruno and Russell, all the way to Julian Barbour: the time-
>> deniers.
>
> I hate it when someone introduces a new term I don't understand. What,
> pray, are "time deniers"? Is it related at all to the material jeans
> are made out of?
>
> Actually - I suddenly realised what you have just said, and so I left
> the previous passage in for a little light relief. I find it amazing
> that you claim I deny the existence of time. Au contraire, it is
> something I explicitly assume. My reading of Bruno's work is that time
> is implicitly assumed as part of computationalism (I know Bruno
> sometimes does not quite agree, but there you have it).
>
> The true "time deniers" on this list are those favouring the ASSA -
> Jacques Mallah, Saibal Mitra, etc. I never worked out your position
> Lee?
Mmmhhh.... To be frank I can hardly imagine someone more ``time denier"
than me!
Unless by "time" you mean "consciousness", in the spirit of Brouwer.
But even that *time* is not postulated, I do think I (re)obtain it
trough the theaetetus' move (this is debatable, sure).
Of course I am a physical-time denier (like Einstein, at least when he
told his friend Besso that time is an illusion "for us physicist"). But
I am all the same a space denier, and a <whatever physical &
primitive>-denier. I think (through comp) that the whole of physics is
secondary, emergent on the atemporal-aspatial relation between numbers
(even natural numbers).
Comp does not need time, it needs the notion that each natural numbers
has a successor. This is enough to study "atemporal" succession of
computing states.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
Received on Thu Jul 07 2005 - 07:01:15 PDT