# Re: more torture

From: Stathis Papaioannou <stathispapaioannou.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 01:26:03 +1000

> > Saibal Mitra writes:
> >
> > >Because no such thing as free will exists one has to consider three
> > >different universes in which the three different choices are made. The
> > >three
> > >universes will have comparable measures. The antropic factor of 10^100
>will
> > >then dominate and will cause the observer to find himself having made
> > >choice
> > >b) as one of the 10^100 copies in the minute without torture.
> >
> > But what will happen to the observer when the minute is up?
> >
> > --Stathis
>
>
>Pretending that these three universes are all that exists, what will happen
>is that the OM will find himself being another one of the 10^100 copies.
>The
>copy survives with memory loss.
>
>
>Saibal

In what sense can the copy (or anything) become another copy with memory
loss? It is almost as if you are postulating a soul, which flies from one
body to another, and somehow contains the original person's identity so that
it survives memory loss. What is required for an observer moment OM_1 at
time t1 to "become" the next observer moment at time t2 is that at least one
successor OM exist with time stamp t2, a belief that he is the same person
as OM_1, and memories of OM_1 up to time t2. If several such OM's exist
{OM_2.1, OM_2.2, OM_2.3...} then either one may be the successor, with
probability determined by the measure of OM_2.n relative to the measure of
the whole set. Amazingly, being completely swamped with other OM's of
various types and vintages, more or less closely related to OM_1, makes
absolutely no difference to the process, because the OM's don't need to
"find" each other and lock arms, all they need to do is *exist*, anywhere in
the multiverse, related in the way I have described. This is somewhat
analogous to the fact that the integer 56 is always followed by the integer
57, even though there are lots and lots of other integers everywhere amongst
which these two could get lost.

--Stathsi Papaioannou

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