Re: Observer-Moment Measure from Universe Measure

From: Bruno Marchal <>
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:26:44 +0200

Le 08-juin-05, à 07:51, Jonathan Colvin a écrit :

> Hal Finney wrote:
>> To apply Wei's method, first we need to get serious about what
>> is an OM.
>> We need a formal model and description of a particular OM.
>> Consider, for example, someone's brain when he is having a
>> particular experience. He is eating chocolate ice cream while
>> listening to Beethoven's 5th symphony, on his 30th birthday.
>> Imagine that we could scan his brain with advanced technology
>> and record his neural activity. Imagine further that with the
>> aid of an advanced brain model we are able to prune out the
>> unnecessary information and distill this to the essence of the
>> experience. We come up with a pattern that represents that
>> observer moment. Any system which instantiates that pattern
>> genuinely creates an experience of that observer moment. This
>> pattern is something that can be specified, recorded and
>> written down in some form. It probably involves a huge volume of
>> data.
> Sorry for the delay in response, but eskimo started bouncing mail from
> my
> other smtp for some unknown reason.
> There's a question begging to be asked, which is (predictably I
> suppose, for
> a qualia-denyer such as myself), what makes you think there is such a
> thing
> as an "essence of an experience"? I'd suggest there is no such "thing"
> as an
> observer-moment. I'm happy with using the concept as a tag of sorts
> when
> discussing observer selection issues, but I think reifying it is
> likely a
> mistake, and goes considerably beyond Strong AI into a full Cartesian
> dualism.

Not at all. You get dualism only because *you* are reifying
metaphysical notion like substantial matter, time etc.

> Is it generally accepted here on this list that a
> substrate-independent thing called an "observer moment" exists?

To be sure I have problem with the notion of observer moments, or more
precisely with the idea that observer-moments can be taken as
With comp (which is stronger than strong AI, strictly speaking) it has
been proved that both
space-time-energy-matter-sharable-measurable-quantity AND their
qualitative features emerges from arithmetical truth. Comp implies a
"neutral monism".

Received on Wed Jun 08 2005 - 03:35:47 PDT

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