----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Mazer" <lasermazer.domain.name.hidden>
To: <ncsamish.domain.name.hidden>; <everything-list.domain.name.hidden.com>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 07:53 PM
Subject: RE: where did the Big Bang come from?
> Norman Samish wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Norman Samish wrote:
> > >> And where did this mysterious Big Bang come from? A "quantum
> > >> fluctuation of virtual particles" I'm told.
> > >
> >On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Jesse Mazer wrote:
> > > Whoever told you that was passing off speculation as fact--in fact
there
> > > is no agreed-upon answer to the question of what, if anything, came
> >before
> > > the Big Bang or "caused" it.
> > >
> >
> >Patrick Leahy wrote:
> >Maybe Norman is confusing the rather more legit idea that the
> >"fluctuations"
> >in the Big Bang, that explain why the universe is not completely uniform,
> >come from quantum fluctuations amplified by inflation. This is currently
> >the leading theory for the origin of structure, in that it has quite a
lot
> >of successful predictions to its credit.
> >
> >Norman Samish writes:
> >Perhaps I didn't express myself well. What I was referring to is at
> >http://www.astronomycafe.net/cosm/planck.html, where Sten Odenwald
> >hypothesizes that random fluctuations in "nothing at all" led to the Big
> >Bang. "This process has been described by the physicist Frank Wilczyk at
> >the University of California, Santa Barbara by saying, 'The reason that
> >there is something instead of nothing is that nothing is unstable.' ". .
.
> >"Physicist Edward Tryon expresses this best by saying that 'Our universe
is
> >simply one of those things that happens from time to time.' "
> >
>
> But as I said, this idea is pure speculation, there isn't any evidence for
> it and we'd probably need a fully worked-out theory of quantum gravity to
> see if the idea even makes sense.
>
> Jesse
This is one of the motivations for believing in a purely mathematical
universe. A physical universe can never arise from 'nothing'. If you believe
in mathematical reality then there is no mystery. The mathematical model
that describes the big bang is eternal.
Saibal
Received on Mon Jun 06 2005 - 15:12:21 PDT