Re: Nothing to Explain about 1st Person C!

From: Stephen Paul King <stephenk1.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:36:19 -0400

Dear Lee,

    Are we not dancing around the Turing Test here?

Stephen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Corbin" <lcorbin.domain.name.hidden>
To: "EverythingList" <everything-list.domain.name.hidden>
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: Nothing to Explain about 1st Person C!


> Bruno writes
>
>> > Do you imagine that it's possible that we could go to
>> > another star, and encounter beings who discoursed with
>> > us about every single other thing, yet denied that they
>> > had consciousness, and professed that they had no idea
>> > what we were talking about? Yes or No! I want an answer.
>> > Do you think that this *could* happen someday?
>>
>> No. But that does not solve the problem. Even Feigenbaum's Eliza was
>> able to talk on consciousness.
>
> Only to the approximate extent that a tape recorder does.
> The key difference is that one understands that actual
> computations are performed in the legitimate cases of
> consciousness.
>
>> 1) Do you agree it is wrong to torture a sensible being? (and right to
>> send someone who does that in jail) ?
>
> Certainly.
>
>> 2) Do you agree there is nothing wrong to torture a sculpture or a doll?
>
> I do.
>
>> Now japanese, I have read, makes cleverer dolls who simulate quite well
>> "being tortured", or "looking as being sensible", but of course they
>> are just zombie, not more clever than Feigenbaum's Eliza.
>
> Exactly.
>
>> But they makes progress. The mind-body problem is: at which stage of
>> the progress should we send a doll's torturer in jail?
>> Should we wait for the doll being able to win a trial in court? Even
>> women in many countries are not yet able to do that, you know.
>
> That's a good question. I strongly affirm that WE NEED IN EVERY CASE
> TO MAKE A DETAILED EXAMINATION OF THE MACHINERY INVOLVED, AND USE
> OUR BEST INSIGHTS. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.
>
> Lee
Received on Sun May 22 2005 - 16:38:05 PDT