observers and observer-moments

From: Stathis Papaioannou <stathispapaioannou.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:14:05 +1000

Regarding observer-moments:

This is a good question because it provides an opportunity to explain the
reason behind the idea of observer-moments (OM). Essentially, OM is the
minimum unit of conscious experience. It is sometimes taken as being
instantaneous, but if this presents theoretical problems, it can be
redefined as observer-second or whatever you think the minimum should be. An
individual's identity, or conscious experience over a period of time, is
then constructed from a series of OM. "Constructed" in this context does not
necessarily mean that any particular physical process takes place to string
the OM's together. Most familiarly, there *is* a physical process doing just
this: namely, the OM's follow (more precisely, supervene) in sequence from
the electrochemical reactions in an individual brain. However, and this is
the crucial insight, there is no reason to think that functionally the same
multi-OM conscious interval cannot occur if the OM's are separated widely in
time, space, or even across branches of the MW which can have no physical
connection. This is because the OM's are "connected" only by virtue of their
information content, which can transcend time, space, or being in different
universes. This does not necessarily mean that any actual information
transfer has to take place; it suffices that the relationship between the
widely separated OM's is the same as it would have been if the information
transfer had taken place in the usual way, such as in a functioning brain.
For example, if I have the thought, "I am counting 1,2,3 bananas..." and by
chance somewhere else in the multiverse there arises a sentient computer
program which believes it is me, has the same memories as me up to that
point, and continues "...4,5,6 bananas", then that latter computer program,
although it has no physical connection to me and indeed could not even have
possibly obtained any information from me in this universe, nevertheless
will experience being me in the same way as if I had continued counting
bananas in this universe in the usual manner.

A consequence of the above is that it does not make sense to talk about
where your consciousness "really" is, or whether it really is the "same"
individual accross different instantiations, because a multi-OM conscious
interval can be defined any way you like. You can decide that if an OM
deviates sufficiently from some arbitrary standard, then that is a new
individual. You can also have multiple instances of the "same" individual
running in the same or different universes. The only absolute is the OM, and
everything else is a construct.

Superficially, this may all seem a bit strange: why bother? The reason I was
driven to this view was from consideration of the philosophical problem of
personal identity. It may seem straightforward that you are the same person
as you were last year, but every atom in your body may be different, in a
different configuration, and giving rise to different memories and other
mental properties. (It may seem that at least the latter two are identical,
but the similarity over even a relatively short time period is only
approximate). Add to this the result of multiple thought experiments: what
if your future self from next week came back in time; what if you were
exactly duplicated via a Star Trek-type teleporter; what if you were
resurrected in Heaven; what about the multiple near-exact copies of you in
other branches of the MW; what about mind uploads; and so on. The only way
to avoid the paradoxes of multiple identities is to accept that every
apparent "identity" is a separate entity, and moreover that every moment of
every apparent identity is a separate entity. This leads directly to the
concept of the observer-moment, and the paradoxes disappear.

--Stathis Papaioannou


>From: Quentin Anciaux <quentin.anciaux.domain.name.hidden>
>To: everything-list.domain.name.hidden
>Subject: Re: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...
>Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:17:25 +0200
>
>Le Mercredi 18 Mai 2005 17:57, Patrick Leahy a écrit :
> >
> > SNIP
> >
> > Of course, many of you (maybe all) may be defining pasts from an
> > information-theoretic point of view, i.e. by identifying all
> > observer-moments in the multiverse which are equivalent as perceived by
> > the observer; in which case the above point is quite irrelevant. (But
>you
> > still have to distinguish the different branches to find the total
>measure
> > for each OM).
>
>Hi,
>
>I thought of Observer Moment as containing the observer... What is the
>meaning
>of an OM (the same) which spread accross branches ? If you start by the
>assumption that OM are fundamental, then a "branch" is an OM. Or a branch
>is
>a consistent succession of OM ?
>
>If the split forever is correct, then does a consciousness spread accross
>all
>those branch where the OM is in ? or just in one branch, and in other
>branches with the same OM, this is not the same consciousness ? If the
>later,
>why can it be said that it is in fact the same OM ?
>
>I apologize for the apparent mix of questions, and the "bad" english...
>Hope
>you understand what I wanted to say ;)
>
>Quentin Anciaux
>

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