Re: Belief Statements

From: John M <jamikes.domain.name.hidden>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:49:03 -0500

Hi, Hal,
I stepped out from this discussion a while ago, because it grew above my
head (or attentional endurance), but I keep reading. Now is a remark of
yours I want to ask about:

">I defined information as the potential to establish a boundary.
A kernel is the potential to establish a particular boundary.<"

I don't work with the rigor and discipline you display, - I am no designing
engineer, nor administrator of people doing such precision - I let my
intuition tease me. So more than a decade ago I identified (my?)
"information"
as "acknowledged difference" whereby the difference was the criterion for
the "existence". (Your ALL & Nothing don't exist in this sense, I am sorry
for the kill.)
"Acknowledged", of course by anything. Now I think a difference involves a
boundary. Without such 'implied', no diference could be establihed. I feel a
clsoeness here.
Do you?

Then the 2nd part: which invokes my more recent domain: wholeness (akin to
Robert Rosen's complexity concept, the 'natural' one) where I consider
"models" as the basis for our ways of thinking, since we cannot encompass
the tota;lity in our little mind. Topical and other models, maps,
territories, the sciences, ideas, etc. They are in intereffect, all of them,
in diverse "depth"
as Kampis identifies it (that part is what I am concerned about lately) and
it gives some(!) natural basis for the topical/scientific model-selection.
The models are surrounded by their boundaries and our reductionistic
observation stops right there. Neglecting the 'beyond', which leads to
paradoxes, poorly understood concepts, and all the misunderstanding we can
explore in discussions like this one.
I feel such chosen/selected models are akin to your kernels if they are not
offended by it. Within boundaries that can occasionally be trasncended if
one must.
The difference is that I think (my) boundaries are selected.
(Time is another open questionmark for me, I don't feel ready to address
it).

Did I miss some important aspect of yours?

John Mikes


----- Original Message -----
From: "Hal Ruhl" <HalRuhl.domain.name.hidden>
To: <everything-list.domain.name.hidden>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Belief Statements


> Hi Stephen:
>
> At 11:08 AM 1/30/2005, you wrote:
> >Dear Hal,
> >
> > How do your "kernels" fundamentally differ from Julian Barbor's "time
> > capsules"?
>
> I defined information as the potential to establish a boundary.
> A kernel is the potential to establish a particular boundary.
SNIP
>
> Hal Ruhl
>
>
>
Received on Mon Jan 31 2005 - 08:02:10 PST