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From: Stathis Papaioannou <stathispapaioannou.domain.name.hidden>

Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:54:56 +1000

Danny Mayes writes:

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This is my understanding as well. Also, in regards to Hal's comments about

how unlikely the OP theory is, or how our universe does not appear likely to

collapse, even accepting these points if the OP computer is physically

possible it must occur under the MWI (somewhere in the multiverse), correct?

***

Yes, this is true, and I believe Tipler threw it in as an afterthought in

his book. The question arises, however, why would you bother with such an

elaborate mechanism for immortality as the OP theory if the MWI of QM is

correct? The MWI ensures immortality through an infinite number of possible

scenarios which collectively must be far more likely than Omega Point.

***

I'm sure everyone is familiar with the ancient philosophical argument that

time and space must be quantized, because if they were not you could never

get to a determined point in space or time given that the distance left to

travel could be infinitely divided in two...

***

Actually, I thing that this argument (Zeno) came about because the ancient

Greeks did not have any concept of an infinite series which converges to a

finite value. There is a related argument, however: if reality is analogue,

then any physical parameter would require an infinite number of

non-repeating decimal places to describe it exactly. This would mean that

what appears to be a finite system, such as an analogue voltmeter measuring

a voltage, actually contains an infinite amount of information, which is

absurd. Therefore, physical reality must be digital rather than analogue at

the finest level.

I am not sure where I first heard the above argument, and I am not sure

about the absurdity of an infinite amount of information being contained in

finite system.

Stathis Papaioannou

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This is my understanding as well. Also, in regards to Hal's comments
about how unlikely the OP theory is, or how our universe does not
appear likely to collapse, even accepting these points if the OP
computer is physically possible it must occur under the MWI (somewhere
in the multiverse), correct?

I'm sure everyone is familiar with the ancient philosophical argument that time and space must be quantized, because if they were not you could never get to a determined point in space or time given that the distance left to travel could be infinitely divided in two...

Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:54:56 +1000

Danny Mayes writes:

***

This is my understanding as well. Also, in regards to Hal's comments about

how unlikely the OP theory is, or how our universe does not appear likely to

collapse, even accepting these points if the OP computer is physically

possible it must occur under the MWI (somewhere in the multiverse), correct?

***

Yes, this is true, and I believe Tipler threw it in as an afterthought in

his book. The question arises, however, why would you bother with such an

elaborate mechanism for immortality as the OP theory if the MWI of QM is

correct? The MWI ensures immortality through an infinite number of possible

scenarios which collectively must be far more likely than Omega Point.

***

I'm sure everyone is familiar with the ancient philosophical argument that

time and space must be quantized, because if they were not you could never

get to a determined point in space or time given that the distance left to

travel could be infinitely divided in two...

***

Actually, I thing that this argument (Zeno) came about because the ancient

Greeks did not have any concept of an infinite series which converges to a

finite value. There is a related argument, however: if reality is analogue,

then any physical parameter would require an infinite number of

non-repeating decimal places to describe it exactly. This would mean that

what appears to be a finite system, such as an analogue voltmeter measuring

a voltage, actually contains an infinite amount of information, which is

absurd. Therefore, physical reality must be digital rather than analogue at

the finest level.

I am not sure where I first heard the above argument, and I am not sure

about the absurdity of an infinite amount of information being contained in

finite system.

Stathis Papaioannou

_________________________________________________________________

Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/

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I'm sure everyone is familiar with the ancient philosophical argument that time and space must be quantized, because if they were not you could never get to a determined point in space or time given that the distance left to travel could be infinitely divided in two...

Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

I thought that quantum theory (in all its flavours and interpretations) *does* imply that reality is"digital". For example, if light is quantised, then the light reflected from a real object will produce a pixelated image, albeit far more finely grained than the image on any computer screen. The Bekenstein Bound sets an upper limit to the amount of information that can be contained in a given volume, or a lower limit to how finely grained an object or its representation can be. Everything is digital; analogue is an illusion.Received on Mon Aug 02 2004 - 01:59:55 PDT

Stathis Papaioannou

From: "Norman Samish" <ncsamish@mindspring.com>

To: <everything-list@eskimo.com>

Subject: Re: Omega Point theory and time quanta

Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:22:01 -0700

Perhaps mathematics, which is digital, is incapable of precise simulation of

reality, which is not digital.

Norman Samish

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From: "Stathis Papaioannou" <stathispapaioannou@hotmail.com>

To: <everything-list@eskimo.com>

Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 9:36 PM

Subject: Omega Point theory and time quanta

There has been some discussion in recent posts about Tipler's Omega Point

theory, which postulates that an infinite amount of subjective time can be

squeezed into the last few moments of a collapsing universe. This is

straightforward mathematically using infinite series, but if time is

quantised, it would not work in reality; and it seems to be widely accepted

that time is indeed quantised. Is there a way around this difficulty?

Stathis Papaioannou

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