Re: Gravity Carrier - could gravity be push with shadows not pull?

From: Fred Chen <>
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:32:15 -0800


It may not explain gravity but your phenomenon seems strikingly similar
(with its repulsive push picture) to the concept of cosmological constant or
quintessence, which has a great deal (it is believed) to do with the
expanding universe and its fate. See as one salbeit somewhat dated
starting point. The anthropic principle and related multiverse discussions
can consider this as one parameter that distinguishes different universes,
especially since it can modulate the ability to support life.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Hawthorne" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: Gravity Carrier - could gravity be push with shadows not pull?

> Caveat: This post will likely demonstrate my complete lack of advanced
> physics education.
> But here goes anyway.
> Is it possible to model gravity as space being filled with an
> all-directional flux of "inverse gravitons"? These would be
> particles which:
> 1. Zoom around EVERYWHERE with a uniform distribution of velocities (up
> to C in any direction).
> 2. Interact weakly with matter, imparting a small momentum to matter (in
> the direction that the "iGraviton"
> was moving) should they collide with a matter particle. The momentum
> comes at the cost that the
> "iGraviton" which collided with mass either disappears or at least
> reduces its velocity relative
> to the mass's velocity.
> So note that:
> 1. If there was just a single mass, it would not receive any net
> momentum by collisions from iGravitons
> because iGravitons with an even distribution of velocities impact it
> from all sides with equal probability,
> no matter what the mass's velocity. (This is true because C is the same
> for each mass no matter how
> it's travelling, so "even distribution of velocities up to C" is also
> the same from the perspective of each
> mass regardless of its velocity.
> 2. If two masses are near each other, they shadow each other from the
> flux of iGravitons which
> would otherwise be impacting them from the direction in between them.
> This shadowing would
> be proportional to the inverse square of the distances between the
> masses, and would be proportional
> to the probability of each mass colliding with (i.e. absorbing)
> iGravitons, and this probability would
> be proportional to the amount of each mass.
> (So the iGraviton shadow between the masses would have properties like a
> gravitational field).
> 3. The mutual shadowing from momentum-imparting flux from all directions
> means that net momentum
> would be imparted on the masses toward each other (by nothing other than
> the usual collisions
> with iGravitons from all other directions.)
> 4. The deficit of iGravitons (or deficit in velocity of them) in between
> absorbtive masses
> could be viewed as inward curvature of space-time in that region. Amount
> or velocity distribution
> of iGraviton flux in a region could correspond in some way with the
> dimensionality of space in that region.
> I find this theory appealing because
> 1. it's fundamental assumption for causation of gravity is simple (a
> uniformly-distributed-in-velocity-and-density
> flux of space-involved (i.e. space-defining) particles.)
> 2. The paucity of iGravitons (or high iGraviton velocities) in a region
> corresponding to inward-curving space
> is an appealingly direct analogy. You can visualize iGravitons as
> "puffing up" space and a lack of them
> causing space there to sag in on itself.
> I'd be willing to bet that someone has thought of this long before and
> that it's been proven that
> the math doesn't work out for it. Has anyone heard of anything like
> this? Is it proven silly already?
> Cheers,
> Eric
Received on Fri Feb 27 2004 - 01:33:43 PST

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