Re: Quantum accident survivor

From: George Levy <>
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 15:48:24 -0800

If you view the "observer-moments" as transitions rather than states,
then there is no need for requiring a time dimension. Each
observer-moments carries with it its own subjective feeling of time.
Different observer-moments can form vast networks without any time

IMHO the main difference between ASSA and RSSA is that measure is
assumed to be absolute in ASSA and relative in RSSA. Accidental or
intended death in ASSA corresponds to an objective decrease in measure
(as seen by first or third person). In RSSA death is accompanied by a
decrease in the measure of a first person as seen by a 3rd person.
However, measure of a first person as seen by a first person remains

Because of this drastic difference, ASSA and RSSA supporters are led to
widely different views of Quantum immortality.


Russell Standish wrote:

>Saibal Mitra wrote:
>>>To get the effect you were suggesting would require another type of
>>>SSA, about which I have complete failure of imagination.
>>I think it is similar. You have a set of all universes which we identify
>>with descriptions or programs. Embedded in these descriptions are
>>descriptions of self aware substructures. A measure on the set of all
>>programs defines a measure on the set of all substructures. I then say:
>>''That's all there is''. The proponents of RSSA go further and postulate new
>>rules about what the next experience of a SAS should be. What you are
>>actually doing is promoting our experience of the flowing of time to
>>fundamental law. However, this is something that should be derived from more
>>fundamental concepts.
>The flowing of subjective time is proposed as necessary for conscious
>observation. In order for information to exist, there must be a
>difference between two states. In order to perceive that difference,
>there must be at least one dimension along which the observer must
>move to experience that difference. Hence time.
>Yes it is an assumption (or postulate). But hardly ad hoc.
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