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From: Jesse Mazer <lasermazer.domain.name.hidden>

Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:54:19 -0500

Hal Finney wrote:

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*>One correction, in the descriptions below I should have said multiverse
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*>for all of them instead of universe. The distinction between the SSA
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*>and the SSSA is not multiverse vs universe, it is observers vs observer-
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*>moments. I'll send out an updated copy when I get some more links and/or
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*>corrections and new definitions.
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*>Hal
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*>
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*> > SSA - The Self-Sampling Assumption, which says that you should consider
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*> > yourself as a randomly sampled observer from among all observers in the
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*> > multiverse.
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*> >
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*> > SSSA - The Strong Self-Sampling Assumption, which says that you should
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*> > consider this particular observer-moment you are experiencing as being
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*> > randomly sampled from among all observer-moments in the universe.
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*> >
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*> > ASSA - The Absolute Self-Sampling Assumption, which says that you should
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*> > consider your next observer-moment to be randomly sampled from among all
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*> > observer-moments in the universe.
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*> >
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*> > RSSA - The Relative Self-Sampling Assumption, which says that you should
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*> > consider your next observer-moment to be randomly sampled from among all
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*> > observer-moments which come immediately after your current
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*>observer-moment
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*> > and belong to the same observer.
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*>
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In your definition of the ASSA, why do you define it in terms of your next

observer moment? Wouldn't it be possible to have a version of the SSA where

you consider your *current* observer moment to be randomly sampled from the

set of all observer-moments, but you use something like the RSSA to guess

what your next observer moment is likely to be like?

Also, what about a weighted version of the ASSA? I believe other animals are

conscious and thus would qualify as observers/observer-moments, which would

suggest I am extraordinarily lucky to find myself as an observer-moment of

what seems like the most intelligent species on the planet...but could there

be an element of the anthropic principle here? Perhaps some kind of theory

of consciousness would assign something like a "mental complexity" to

different observer-moments, and the self-sampling assumption could be biased

in favor of more complex minds.

Likewise, one might use a graded version of the RSSA to deal with "degrees

of similarity", instead of having it be a simple either-or whether a future

observer-moment "belongs to the same observer" or not as you suggest in your

definition. There could be some small probability that my next

observer-moment will be of a completely different person, but in most cases

it would be more likely that my next observer-moment would be basically

similar to my current one. But one might also have to take into account the

absolute measure on all-observer moments that I suggest above, so that if

there is a very low absolute probability of a brain that can suggest a

future observer-moment which is very similar to my current one (because,

say, I am standing at ground zero of a nuclear explosion) then the relative

probability of my next observer-moment being completely different would be

higher. Again, one would need something like a theory of consciousness to

quantify stuff like "degrees of similarity" and the details of how the

tradeoff between relative probability and absolute probability would work.

Jesse

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Received on Wed Nov 05 2003 - 16:56:59 PST

Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:54:19 -0500

Hal Finney wrote:

In your definition of the ASSA, why do you define it in terms of your next

observer moment? Wouldn't it be possible to have a version of the SSA where

you consider your *current* observer moment to be randomly sampled from the

set of all observer-moments, but you use something like the RSSA to guess

what your next observer moment is likely to be like?

Also, what about a weighted version of the ASSA? I believe other animals are

conscious and thus would qualify as observers/observer-moments, which would

suggest I am extraordinarily lucky to find myself as an observer-moment of

what seems like the most intelligent species on the planet...but could there

be an element of the anthropic principle here? Perhaps some kind of theory

of consciousness would assign something like a "mental complexity" to

different observer-moments, and the self-sampling assumption could be biased

in favor of more complex minds.

Likewise, one might use a graded version of the RSSA to deal with "degrees

of similarity", instead of having it be a simple either-or whether a future

observer-moment "belongs to the same observer" or not as you suggest in your

definition. There could be some small probability that my next

observer-moment will be of a completely different person, but in most cases

it would be more likely that my next observer-moment would be basically

similar to my current one. But one might also have to take into account the

absolute measure on all-observer moments that I suggest above, so that if

there is a very low absolute probability of a brain that can suggest a

future observer-moment which is very similar to my current one (because,

say, I am standing at ground zero of a nuclear explosion) then the relative

probability of my next observer-moment being completely different would be

higher. Again, one would need something like a theory of consciousness to

quantify stuff like "degrees of similarity" and the details of how the

tradeoff between relative probability and absolute probability would work.

Jesse

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